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From: Grant Edwards on 3 Jun 2010 09:12 On 2010-06-03, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam(a)whitemice.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 13:42 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: >> Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam(a)whitemice.org> writes: >> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:35 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: >> >> Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam(a)whitemice.org> writes: >> >> > Most people use this list via e-mail... >> >> Do you know this to be the case, or is that a guess >> > Scan through a bunch of threads with show-headers. Watch the User-Agent >> > value (set by the senders client). The results become obvious pretty >> > quickly. >> > And it is generally interesting to see the User-Agent mix of a given >> > group of users. >> So... by that criteria do you count me as email reader or nntp reader? > > NNTP > >> Gnus fills in the user-agent field just the same in either case. > > Sure. But Thunderbird, Horde, Squirrel, Google/GMail, Evolution, and > Outlook/OWA are *not* NNTP agents. Thunderbird, Evolution and Outlook are all NNTP clients. Not sure if that's different than being an "agent". -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwards Yow! BARRY ... That was at the most HEART-WARMING gmail.com rendition of "I DID IT MY WAY" I've ever heard!!
From: Andreas Waldenburger on 3 Jun 2010 08:34 On Thu, 3 Jun 2010 03:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Pierre Quentel <quentel.pierre(a)wanadoo.fr> wrote: > So the OP's initiative should be an incentive to think on the format > of the interaction between all the range of Python users, from newbees > to gurus. We are in the 2.0 era, with social networks all over the > place using a pleasant interface, while c.l.p has a rather austere > look and feel, with text only, no way to present code snippets in a > different font / background than discussions, and even an unintuitive > way of entering links... I don't really have a well founded opinion on this yet, so I'm just throwing it out there: From the moment I first heard about it, I've always felt that Wave (that Google thing nobody cares about anymore) was a perfect "replacement" for the lot of newsgroups, forums and mailing lists. But consolidation is the *only* way to go, really. The parallelism between c.l.p. and python-list is great already. Now throw some sort of Forum in the mix, and a Wave server, and you're set. Should be easy enough with Python. "import pycommunity" anyone? /W -- INVALID? DE!
From: Lie Ryan on 3 Jun 2010 09:13 On 06/03/10 22:50, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 13:42 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: >> Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam(a)whitemice.org> writes: >>> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 12:35 +0100, Paul Rudin wrote: >>>> Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam(a)whitemice.org> writes: >>>>> Most people use this list via e-mail... >>>> Do you know this to be the case, or is that a guess >>> Scan through a bunch of threads with show-headers. Watch the User-Agent >>> value (set by the senders client). The results become obvious pretty >>> quickly. >>> And it is generally interesting to see the User-Agent mix of a given >>> group of users. >> So... by that criteria do you count me as email reader or nntp reader? > > NNTP > >> Gnus fills in the user-agent field just the same in either case. > > Sure. But Thunderbird, Horde, Squirrel, Google/GMail, Evolution, and > Outlook/OWA are *not* NNTP agents. > Then how come my Thunderbird could talk with an NNTP server? Directly without going through the bowels of a newsgroup-to-mailing list server.
From: Colin J. Williams on 3 Jun 2010 10:10 On 03-Jun-10 09:08 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-06-03, News123<news1234(a)free.fr> wrote: >> pyDev wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based >>> forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// >>> pythonforum.org). Web-based forums is a preferred method by Python >>> newcomers to get help in exploring the world of Python and programming >>> overall. The main goal of PythonForum.org is to popularize Python by >>> welcoming all newcomers. Recently the forum got "attacked" with >>> questions by users just starting out with Python. I hope here will be >>> someone ready to welcome and help newcomers to enter the beautiful >>> world of Python. >>> >> >> I fully agree with the feedback, that creating a new forum is not such >> an excellent idea. currently the critical mass seems to be here and I >> appreciate this a lot. >> >> However, whether we like it or not: >> Fewer and fewer newcomers are willing, knowledgable, aware of nntp >> >> If you think, that newbies are unlikely to use nntp, then create a >> forum, web front end or whatever, which looks very nice and cool, which >> will automatically relay messages (forward and backward) to this group. > > You mean like this? > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general > > I use gmane via nntp (news.gmane.org port 119) but, as the link above shows, there are threading problems. Colin W. >> In my opinion new forums should integrate nntp and not try to replace >> it. >> >> An nntp gateway on just another server is also not as nice as just >> communicating with the existing feeds. > > I'm don't know what "communicating with the existing feeds" means. >
From: Colin J. Williams on 3 Jun 2010 10:11
On 03-Jun-10 09:08 AM, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2010-06-03, News123<news1234(a)free.fr> wrote: >> pyDev wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I would like to let the community know that there is a new web-based >>> forum for Python enthusiasts over at PythonForum.org (http:// >>> pythonforum.org). Web-based forums is a preferred method by Python >>> newcomers to get help in exploring the world of Python and programming >>> overall. The main goal of PythonForum.org is to popularize Python by >>> welcoming all newcomers. Recently the forum got "attacked" with >>> questions by users just starting out with Python. I hope here will be >>> someone ready to welcome and help newcomers to enter the beautiful >>> world of Python. >>> >> >> I fully agree with the feedback, that creating a new forum is not such >> an excellent idea. currently the critical mass seems to be here and I >> appreciate this a lot. >> >> However, whether we like it or not: >> Fewer and fewer newcomers are willing, knowledgable, aware of nntp >> >> If you think, that newbies are unlikely to use nntp, then create a >> forum, web front end or whatever, which looks very nice and cool, which >> will automatically relay messages (forward and backward) to this group. > > You mean like this? > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.general > > I use gmane via nntp (news.gmane.org port 119) but, as the link above shows, there are threading problems. Colin W. >> In my opinion new forums should integrate nntp and not try to replace >> it. >> >> An nntp gateway on just another server is also not as nice as just >> communicating with the existing feeds. > > I'm don't know what "communicating with the existing feeds" means. > |