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From: Incognitus on 12 Jul 2010 07:59 On 07/12/2010 02:04 AM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > Incognitus wrote: > <SNIP> >> I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder. > > IIRC he didn't state that it was a problem for him. If he had, I'd have > pointed him to... > > Restoring Registry Keys after Cleanup > http://boards.live.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868 IIRC it was KB that made those two statements and was reminded of a restore point created but I don't recall anyone mentioning the Backup folder http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 oh well, thanks.
From: Eddie on 12 Jul 2010 08:57 PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: > Eddie wrote: >> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, boosted, >>> tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read >>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions. >> >> >> Hi [PA], >> >> I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also >> your affiliation toward ms products. >> >> I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an excerpt >> from the link you posted re: O/P. >> ------\/ >> >> "Microsoft has a freebie online program at >> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's >> program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm. >> I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare >> registry cleaner >> >> Here's why: >> >> The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and >> whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key >> or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along >> with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry >> cleaner completely hose systems." >> ------ >> >> My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in >> the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it is >> written by M/S) >> Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see >> Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and especially >> considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and >> software and blah blah. > <snip> >> What do you reckon? > > A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's > most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;" > e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties). > > I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for > misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing > began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if > you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.) > > The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's > (http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's > online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full > Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started > causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been), > so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due > to MVP pressure): > http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868 > > While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf. > http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm), > the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all. > > The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7 > is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection > scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf. > http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm. > > Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services > Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005: > http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx > > > Again, a very sore subject! Pa,, I only just got to this post, (and I searched for it for ages, just couldnt see the usual 'green arrow' my end to say I had replied to someone.) and I'd like to say before I motor on and read all other posts in this thread, that I have yet again elevated you to 'top of the list'; and my reason>> your honesty Pa, simply your honesty in saying it is a sore topic/subject. I'll go read the rest now. Cheers Pa. Ed
From: Eddie on 12 Jul 2010 09:11 > Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using > them that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements > quoted above. > > I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder. > Hi,, He probably didnt tell Eddie that, because he already knew Eddie wasnt talking about back-ups and the like at that stage,, but was merely enquiring about about MS's version of a Reg Cleaner as per the link.; and how poor newbs can get tangled up in the web of Reg cleaners. I found his answer to be 'right on the money', and hence why I always peruse his posts... he has an air of humility about him. Ed
From: Eddie on 12 Jul 2010 09:15 Bill in Co wrote: > That's just because THEY didn't run it at the right time of the day. > What's the matter with you? It takes skill to know what time of the day is > best. :-) I heard Friday arvos were a good time,, might even get your petrol cheaper too. (chuckle) Ed > > Unknown wrote: >> Absolute hogwash. There have been hundreds of posts on this newsgroup of >> computers being rendered inoperative >> by the user running a registry cleaner. Simply running a registry cleaner >> has caused damage. >> >> "Incognitus" <in(a)ccurate.com.invalid> wrote in message >> news:i1chmc$875$1(a)speranza.aioe.org... >>> On 07/10/2010 10:03 AM, PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>> Eddie wrote: >>>>> PA Bear [MS MVP] wrote: >>>>>> If you ever think your Registry needs to be cleaned, repaired, >>>>>> boosted, >>>>>> tuned-up, cured, tweaked, fixed, or optimized (it doesn't), read >>>>>> http://aumha.net/viewtopic.php?t=28099 and draw your own conclusions. >>>>> >>>>> Hi [PA], >>>>> >>>>> I have followed and respected your replies to posts for years, and also >>>>> your affiliation toward ms products. >>>>> >>>>> I do have a question though regarding this thread, but first, an >>>>> excerpt >>>>> from the link you posted re: O/P. >>>>> ------\/ >>>>> >>>>> "Microsoft has a freebie online program at >>>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm. Being the Godfather's >>>>> program it should be safe....theoretically. It didn't do me any harm. >>>>> I strongly recommend that you, or anyone else, avoid using the onecare >>>>> registry cleaner >>>>> >>>>> Here's why: >>>>> >>>>> The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is removed and >>>>> whatever it removes is gone, forever. Should it mistakenly remove a key >>>>> or value needed by your operating system or software it's gone along >>>>> with your program or operating system. I've seen onecare's registry >>>>> cleaner completely hose systems." >>>>> ------ >>>>> >>>>> My question is: WHY did Bill/Micro allow this program to be written in >>>>> the first place? Why are ppl saying to Avoid it at all costs? (yet it >>>>> is >>>>> written by M/S) >>>>> Lastly, and again, .. why did micro put it out there for all to see >>>>> Knowing Full Well that NO registry cleaner works at all.. and >>>>> especially >>>>> considering each persons computer is different due to d/loads and >>>>> software and blah blah. >>>> <snip> >>>>> What do you reckon? >>>> A very sore subject! I reckon that many longtime MVPs are Microsoft's >>>> most vocal critics (vs. newer MVPs who are basically "MS Enthusiasts;" >>>> e.g., the obnoxious Win7 Launch Parties). >>>> >>>> I can't think of one Windows MVP who didn't take MS to task for >>>> misguidedly including a "Registry cleaner" in OneCare when beta testing >>>> began in 2006. (Four years later and we're still griping about it so if >>>> you think MVPs have much "pull" these days, think again.) >>>> >>>> The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's >>>> (http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm) "Clean up" scan is MS's >>>> online "Registry cleaner," and it's included when you run the Full >>>> Service scan. Even while the applications were in beta, this started >>>> causing problems (i.e., stuff was "cleaned" that shouldn't have been), >>>> so much so that Support had to make this page available, primarily due >>>> to MVP pressure): >>>> http://boards.msn.com/safetyboards/thread.aspx?ThreadID=4868 >>>> >>>> While OneCare itself has been discontinued (cf. >>>> http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/activation/oc_eol_guidance.htm), >>>> the online scans remain available and haven't been changed at all. >>>> >>>> The The Windows Live OneCare Safety Center's online scan for Vista/Win7 >>>> is the Full Service scan only (i.e., you can't just run the Protection >>>> scan) and continues to cause problems for users; cf. >>>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/center/whatsnew.htm. >>>> >>>> Even Mark Russinovich (Technical Fellow in the MS Platform and Services >>>> Division) criticized the use of Registry cleaners back in 2005: >>>> http://blogs.technet.com/b/markrussinovich/archive/2005/10/02/registry-junk-a-windows-fact-of-life.aspx >>>> >>>> >>>> Again, a very sore subject! >>> Well, first off re: http://onecare.live.com/site/en-us/default.htm >>> >>> The statements " The onecare cleaner offers no chance to backup what is >>> removed and whatever it removes is gone, forever." >>> >>> and >>> >>> "Should it mistakenly remove a key or value needed by your operating >>> system or software it's gone along with your program or operating >>> system." >>> >>> are not true. >>> >>> C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Application >>> Data\Microsoft\Windows Live Onecare safety scanner\Backup >>> >>> is the location in XP where WLSC_Backup Registration Entries along with >>> XML Documentation are stored. >>> >>> Registry cleaners themselves do no harm, it's the clueless twit using >>> them >>> that causes the harm, the proof is in the two false statements quoted >>> above. >>> >>> I'm surprised you didn't tell Eddie of the Backup folder. > >
From: Unknown on 12 Jul 2010 11:18
There was one post by a computer repair shop owner who stated he has fixed hundreds of computers that were damaged by the owner running a registry cleaner. I'm sure you can find his post in your quote of 442,902 archived by Google. Also of the millions of computers in existence, how many were damaged by a registry cleaner and not reported? "Nil" <rednoise(a)REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote in message news:Xns9DB2E15828F82nilch1(a)130.133.4.11... > On 11 Jul 2010, "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in > microsoft.public.windowsxp.general: > >> Don't be so stupid. You know very well I cannot do that simply >> because they were deleted. > > Really!?! By whom? Google has been archiving > microsoft.public.windowsxp.general for a decade or more. If they exist, > you should find your hundreds right there among the 442,902 messages > they have archived. Check it out if you are so sure. > >> You poll all other posters for their positions. > > I thought you insisted on facts, not "positions". > > Be informed not opinionated. |