From: Twayne on 9 Jul 2010 20:07
A condescengingly ignorant and misinformationist reply to a legitimate
question posed by a legitimate user. Ol' Brucey here respects little but
himself. Just ignore.
Bruce Chambers <bchambers(a)cable0ne.n3t> typed:
> Barbara wrote:
>> Unable to find any specific category for a registry
>> question so am posting the question here. The registry on
>> the computer needs to be cleaned.
> What makes you think so?
>> of the errors I am getting are related to registry
> What makes you think so?
>> I am not
>> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually.
> Then you're certainly not knowledgeable enough to determine
> whether or not the registry has anything to with your
> unidentified problems, much less to safely use any sort of
> registry "cleaner."
>> I wonder if someone
>> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry
>> cleaner software and that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
> Simply put, there is no such thing.
> Why would you even think you'd ever need to clean your
> registry? What specific *problems* are you actually
> experiencing (not some program's bogus listing of imaginary
> problems) that you think can be fixed by using a registry
> If you do have a problem that is rooted in the
> registry, it would be far better to simply edit (after
> backing up, of course) only the specific key(s) and/or
> value(s) that are causing the problem. After all, why use
> a chainsaw when a scalpel will do the job? Additionally,
> the manually changing of one or two registry entries is far
> less likely to have the dire consequences of allowing an
> automated product to make multiple changes simultaneously. The only thing
> needed to safely clean your registry is
> knowledge and Regedit.exe.
> The registry contains all of the operating system's
> "knowledge" of the computer's hardware devices, installed
> software, the location of the device drivers, and the
> computer's configuration. A misstep in the registry can
> have severe consequences. One should not even turning
> loose a poorly understood automated "cleaner," unless he is
> fully confident that he knows *exactly* what is going to
> happen as a result of each and every change.
> Having repeatedly seen the results of inexperienced
> people using automated registry "cleaners," I can only
> advise all but the most experienced computer technicians
> (and/or hobbyists) to avoid them all. Experience has shown
> me that such tools simply are not safe in the hands of the
> inexperienced user. If you lack the knowledge and
> experience to maintain your registry by yourself, then you
> also lack the knowledge and experience to safely configure
> and use any automated registry cleaner, no matter how safe
> they claim to be.
> More importantly, no one has ever demonstrated that the
> use of an automated registry "cleaner," particularly by an
> untrained, inexperienced computer user, does any real good,
> whatsoever. There's certainly been no empirical evidence
> offered to demonstrate that the use of such products to
> "clean" WinXP's registry improves a computer's performance
> or stability. Given the potential for harm, it's just not
> worth the risk.
> Granted, most registry "cleaners" won't cause problems
> each and every time they're used, but the potential for
> harm is always there. And, since no registry "cleaner" has
> ever been demonstrated to do any good (think of them like
> treating the flu with chicken soup - there's no real
> medicinal value, but it sometimes provides a warming
> placebo effect), I always tell people that the risks far
> out-weigh the non-existent benefits.
> I will concede that a good registry *scanning* tool, in
> the hands of an experienced and knowledgeable technician or
> hobbyist can be a useful time-saving diagnostic tool, as
> long as it's not allowed to make any changes automatically.
> But I really don't think that there are any registry
> "cleaners" that are truly safe for the general public to
> use. Experience has proven just the opposite: such tools
> simply are not safe in the hands of the inexperienced user.
> A little further reading on the subject:
> Why I don't use registry cleaners
> AumHa Forums b" View topic - AUMHA Discussion: Should I Use
> a Registry Cleaner?
From: Twayne on 9 Jul 2010 20:13
Barbara <Barbara(a)discussions.microsoft.com> typed:
> Unable to find any specific category for a registry
> question so am posting the question here. The registry on
> the computer needs to be cleaned. Most of the errors I am
> getting are related to registry problems. I am not
> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I
> wonder if someone could suggest a good, reliable and
> trustworthy registry cleaner software and that would not be
> too expensive. Thanks!
As a general rule, the registry is almost never the root cause of a
substantial number of problems, which you failed to describe here.
What program is giving you these registry error warnings? It could well
be malware based, in which case you need to do a good virus and spyware
scanning and cleaning before considering the registry.
Post the exact error messages you get, word for word, for analysis of
what they may mean.
Precisely when do you get these messages about registry problems?
Also describe your computer brand, amount of RAM, OS revision (Home, Pro,
Then the information can be used to assess what is causing the errors to
happen and whether they may be real or simply a result of malware running on
your computer. My own preliminary suspicions are that you have malware
running and until that is resolved as true or false, any other trouble
shooting is almost surely going to be a waste of time.
How to Post to a newsgroup:
From: milt on 9 Jul 2010 23:28
On 7/8/2010 10:09 AM, Barbara wrote:
> Unable to find any specific category for a registry question so am posting
> the question here. The registry on the computer needs to be cleaned. Most
> of the errors I am getting are related to registry problems. I am not
> computer knowledgeable to clean the registry manually. I wonder if someone
> could suggest a good, reliable and trustworthy registry cleaner software and
> that would not be too expensive. Thanks!
No, your registry does NOT need to be cleaned, where did you get this
idea from? Your registry NEVER needs to be cleaned, compacted or messed
with in ANY way. To do so risks making your computer unbootable and has
From: milt on 9 Jul 2010 23:30
On 7/9/2010 7:01 PM, Twayne wrote:
> In news:uSlFHcwHLHA.5700(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl,
> Bruce Chambers<bchambers(a)cable0ne.n3t> typed:
>> Peter wrote:
>>> You can try CCleaner at http://www.ccleaner.com/ Be sure
>>> and make a back up before fixing anything and run it THREE
>>> times to catch everything.
>> CCleaner's only strength, and the only reason anyone
>> should use it, lies in its usefulness for cleaning up
>> unused temporary files from the hard drive. It differs
>> from the native Windows tool in that it allows more
>> granular control and you can specify which folders you want
>> scanned. For instance, WinXP's disk cleaner will examine
>> only the profile folders of the user who is running the
>> utility. On a single-user machine, this is fine, but on a
>> family or other mult-use machine, the ability to clean
>> temorary files from all of the user profiles at once is a
>> great time saver.
>> It's registry cleaner, however, is worthless. I've
>> tested the most recent recent version (with all updates)
>> version on a brand-new OS installation with no additional
>> applications installed, and certainly none installed and
>> then uninstalled, and CCleaner still managed to "find" over
>> a hundred allegedly orphaned registry entries and dozens of
>> purportedly "suspicious" files, making it clearly a
>> *worthless* product, in this regard. (Not that any
>> registry cleaner can ever be anything but worthless, as
>> they don't serve any *useful* purpose, to start with.)
> Neat; a product provides you with information about the contents of your
> registry, so you call it worthless. Now there's a piece of real advice!!
> Yup, you sure proved it here, didn't you? lol, so pathetic!
Yeah it provided him FALSE information! How could there be tons of
registry problems with a freshly installed system? Are you a shill for
some company that makes registry cleaners?
From: milt on 9 Jul 2010 23:34
On 7/9/2010 7:07 PM, Twayne wrote:
> A condescengingly ignorant and misinformationist reply to a legitimate
> question posed by a legitimate user. Ol' Brucey here respects little but
> himself. Just ignore.
Actually, I'm starting to think YOU are the one that needs to be
ignored. They gave a perfectly legit answer with REAL info. all you are
doing is trying to shoot it down without telling this person how to fix
their issue. Then again, you act like cleaning the registry is needed
when there is tons of evidence to the contrary.