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From: tony cooper on 3 Nov 2009 18:03 On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:53:19 -0800, John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:43:52 -0500, tony cooper ><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in ><mab1f51f0daa0gd2vnf1of2a1qv4n40k9s(a)4ax.com>: > >>Now, bullshit aside, ... > >there's nothing left. A surprisingly frank and accurate statement from you. Yes, once we remove the bullshit from your posts there is nothing left. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: John Navas on 3 Nov 2009 18:25 On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 18:03:07 -0500, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in <lid1f5p2tjcsraogr2pb27a442u7rqpdf4(a)4ax.com>: >On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:53:19 -0800, John Navas ><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >>On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:43:52 -0500, tony cooper >><tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in >><mab1f51f0daa0gd2vnf1of2a1qv4n40k9s(a)4ax.com>: >> >>>Now, bullshit aside, ... >> >>there's nothing left. > >A surprisingly frank and accurate statement from you. Yes, once we >remove the bullshit from your posts there is nothing left. That's so lame, even from you -- downright funny! -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: Dudley Hanks on 3 Nov 2009 18:34 "nospam" <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote in message news:031120091624211986%nospam(a)nospam.invalid... > In article <bg31f5tbpkdq363l9lvsc1vrs5mrpdu20v(a)4ax.com>, John Navas > <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: > >> Are you being disingenuous or do you simply lack car experience? >> I've done a number of engine swaps (not simple replacements), and >> I've added aftermarket intercooled turbo systems, suspension systems, >> fuel systems, air conditioning, etc, etc. > > the average car owner is *not* going to swap an engine or add a turbo > or any of the other stuff you list. a typical upgrade would likely be > nothing more than a fancy stereo or some seat covers. > > meanwhile, an slr owner can *easily* pick the appropriate lens, without > any effort at all. Having done a few engine-swaps, suspension modifications and interior alterations myself, I can't imagine why John would even mention such "upgrades" within this context. Well, actually I can: he's just trolling again. It's about this time, every year, that John gets bored and turns to his keyboard for entertainment. In the case of an automobile, it seems John is over-looking one thing: The point of an upgrade is to "extend" the life of a given item so that it will function equally, or, very nearly equally, for the same life as the next generation product. For example, the first IBM style computer I purchased started out its life as an XT, but ended up as a Pentium II. In the end, the only thing left from the original was the case; everything else had been changed. Still, There was no difference between the Pentium II computer I had sitting on my desk and one that was sitting on a store shelf. That's an "upgrade." Now, in the case of an automobile, there is a built in limiting factor, especially in modern unibody cars, which is the structural integrity of the chassis / body. Given the stresses automobiles are subjected to, you can do all the "upgrading" you want, but the end product will not last as long, nor function exactly the same as a newer, technically superior vehicle. Certainly, you can spend the time and money to put in more powerful engines if you want, but it is EXTREMELY difficult to put a significantly more powerful engine into a car which isn't stressed for that kind of torque (try putting a high performance 429 into a Pinto). You more or less are stuck with a slightly different version of the original powerplant, unless you reframe the chassis, and that's not really an upgrade because it won't have an equivalent on the market. And, even if you stick within the same power band, your handiwork still won't last as long as an equivalent new model from a nearby showroom because your car body, unless you've had it sitting in the garage and haven't played with it much, will have progressed to a point much nearer the end of its useful life than you'll care to think about. In the case of computers, swapping in a more powerful engine (CPU / motherboard) is no big deal, usually. And, if you add the extras, like whatever is going for the standard video system, sound card, monitor, disks and controllers, presto! you've got yourself a new PC. John just likes to play his little word games, and he doesn't care if he is even in the same galaxy as the rest of us, let alone the same ball park. Take Care, Dudley
From: nospam on 3 Nov 2009 18:51 In article <w63Im.51407$PH1.4533(a)edtnps82>, Dudley Hanks <dhanks(a)blind-apertures.ca> wrote: > John just likes to play his little word games, and he doesn't care if he is > even in the same galaxy as the rest of us, let alone the same ball park. that's exactly what it is. word games. technically you can upgrade a car, even though virtually nobody does it.
From: John Navas on 3 Nov 2009 19:32
On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:43:52 -0500, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in <mab1f51f0daa0gd2vnf1of2a1qv4n40k9s(a)4ax.com>: >On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 14:16:01 -0800, John Navas ><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote: >>You presume to put down a photo from a small compressed sample. >>Why am I not surprised. You truly are a waste of time. > >Who are you trying to fool, John? I can look at a "small compressed" >image and tell if the detail's mushy. No you can't. You're just bashing mindlessly. >I'm not putting it down. I'm commenting on what is obvious. ... Baloney. Irony, thy name is Usenet. Going back to my rule now -- and for good reason -- you truly are a waste of time. -- Best regards, John Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer, it makes you a dSLR owner. "The single most important component of a camera is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams |