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From: AVee on 24 Feb 2010 12:14 I can live with the fangs. Congrats, and thanks for the help you had been to me in the past. "Joseph M. Newcomer" <newcomer(a)flounder.com> wrote in message news:lb1vn5tc513hfd3dqou91cmlvobpj3rjtp(a)4ax.com... > ...I'm just like a little stuffed teddy bear. > > [With fangs...] > > It was a complete surprise to me. > joe > > On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 16:09:16 -0600, BobF <nothanks(a)no.spam> wrote: > >> >>Congrats Joe. You had to know that your cuddly personality was going to >>be rewarded! :-) >> >>Joseph M. Newcomer wrote: >>> From an email received last week, from Amit Mohindra, of the VC++ team: >>> ==================================== >>> There are roughly 10 million developers in the world. There are less >>> than 2,000 Microsoft >>> developer MVPs. >>> >>> To say that Microsoft MVPs are cut above "normal" developers in terms of >>> technical >>> excellence and willingness to help the community doesn't begin to >>> quantify the work that >>> you and your peers do! >>> >>> Of those 2,000 MVPs, 20 have been selected as the strongest contributors >>> by the Product >>> groups for their outstanding contributions - and you have been named as >>> one of those 20 >>> MVPs. >>> >>> Joseph it is with great pride I am informing you the VC++ MVPs have >>> selected you as the >>> C++ MVP of the year >>> ==================================== >>> >>> Of the remaining 19 recipients, one of the others was also from the VC++ >>> MVPs, Mike Ryan. >>> We were both slightly amazed at all this, especially because we had no >>> idea until Monday >>> that this was even a possibility. >>> joe >>> Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] >>> email: newcomer(a)flounder.com >>> Web: http://www.flounder.com >>> MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm > Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] > email: newcomer(a)flounder.com > Web: http://www.flounder.com > MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 24 Feb 2010 14:43 The design of the forums could be called "amateurish" but that gives a bad name to amateur designers everywhere, and constitutes defamation of character for amateurs. I find them completely and utterly unusable. I think what Microsoft has to do is "expose the API" for the forums, so third-party developers can develop decent readers. It is clear that Microsoft is struggling to become clever enough at the design to rate "totally clueless", but they haven't gotten that good yet. They are still in the model of "give a beginner some knowledge of hyperlinks, a couple of widgets, and some JavaScript, and see what comes out". The forums are the result. If they exposed the API, there are a lot of companies that actually *understand* how to do good newsreaders who might go into the market of developing a decent newsreader for the Microsoft forums. But the forums, as they stand, show the kind of design I might expect for a 1-week assignment if I were teaching an introductory class in HTML programming. No, I stand corrected; I had students who did much better designs than this the one time I taught introductory HTML (which took about two hours). joe On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 11:58:23 -0500, David Wilkinson <no-reply(a)effisols.com> wrote: >David Scambler wrote: >> David Wilkinson <no-reply(a)effisols.com> wrote in >> news:O7dQJD9sKHA.1708(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl: >> ... >> There are also >>> >>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/forums/en-US/vclanguage/threads/ >>> >>> http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/Vsexpressvc/threads >>> >> >> Case in point. In my newsreader, not maximized, I can see 25 headers and a >> large text window. If I scroll I can quickly scan over 200 headers. >> >> If I click the links above, in a maximized window I can see 8 headers. If I >> scroll I can see another 12. If I want to see more I have to scroll down >> and click to next page, next page, next page... >> >> I just do not have time for that. > >I do not disagree with you. > >I was just saying where the MSDN Visual C++ forums are. Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm
From: Ajay Kalra on 24 Feb 2010 16:14 On Feb 24, 2:43 pm, Joseph M. Newcomer <newco...(a)flounder.com> wrote: > The design of the forums could be called "amateurish" but that gives a bad name to amateur > designers everywhere, and constitutes defamation of character for amateurs. > > I find them completely and utterly unusable. I dont understand why we need forums when we have NGs. What exactly do they offer that cant be done in a NG? -- Ajay
From: Tom Serface on 24 Feb 2010 17:12 There is a certain type of elegance to the forums. First off they can do advertising and keep statistics about who's doing what. That provides them with valuable feedback. They are pretty easy to search as well. It must be difficult trying to manage public newsgroup servers as well with all of the spam stuff going on. They have gotten much easier to use over the past few months. MSFT is putting a lot of effort into making it work. Tom "Ajay Kalra" <ajaykalra(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3407501a-d30e-4556-99c9-f657ed52f0b2(a)q21g2000yqm.googlegroups.com... > On Feb 24, 2:43 pm, Joseph M. Newcomer <newco...(a)flounder.com> wrote: >> The design of the forums could be called "amateurish" but that gives a >> bad name to amateur >> designers everywhere, and constitutes defamation of character for >> amateurs. >> >> I find them completely and utterly unusable. > > I dont understand why we need forums when we have NGs. What exactly do > they offer that cant be done in a NG? > > -- > Ajay >
From: Joseph M. Newcomer on 24 Feb 2010 17:26
Nothing except stroking the egos of a bunch of designer wannabes. I cannot tell what the forums could possibly offer. Note that some newsgroups explicitly do not exist; for example, Win7 support is only available on a forum, not in a newsgroup. There are persistent rumors that the newsgroups will be decomissioned. This would be very sad. joe On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 13:14:08 -0800 (PST), Ajay Kalra <ajaykalra(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On Feb 24, 2:43�pm, Joseph M. Newcomer <newco...(a)flounder.com> wrote: >> The design of the forums could be called "amateurish" but that gives a bad name to amateur >> designers everywhere, and constitutes defamation of character for amateurs. � >> >> I find them completely and utterly unusable. � > >I dont understand why we need forums when we have NGs. What exactly do >they offer that cant be done in a NG? Joseph M. Newcomer [MVP] email: newcomer(a)flounder.com Web: http://www.flounder.com MVP Tips: http://www.flounder.com/mvp_tips.htm |