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From: D.J. on 28 Apr 2010 16:34 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:14:02 -0700 (PDT), sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 28 apr, 21:46, D.J. <nocont...(a)noaddress.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:52:50 -0700 (PDT), sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >If people would use bit-strings as money, you could expect people to >> >share money on p2p >> >> Doesn't matter. Ever since the "silver certificate" and "gold certificate" >> was done away with by the Reagan and Bush cartel there is nothing to >> connect the printing on paper currency with real-goods. The only value that >> any printed currency has today is how much you believe it to have. It has >> no foundation in reality anymore. The bits on a bank's hard-drive are just >> as valuable as the bits on your computer's hard-drives. They are connected >> by law to the exact same amount of real goods. >> >> People just haven't figured this out yet. Or more importantly, they don't >> want to realize it yet. Because when they do then nobody's "money" will >> have any value. Which it already does not have, any value, other than the >> cost of the paper and ink that was used to create it. >> >> Just clap your hands three times and say to yourself, "I believe, I >> believe, I believe." For that is the ONLY thing that is giving any money >> today any value whatsoever. > >So we are wasting our time creating banknotes that have security >features to prevent people from duplicating and sharing money as they >see fit? > >Maybe we should try to use bit-strings as money for a while to see if >that makes things easier, if it doesn't really matter in your opinion >whether we use banknotes or bit-strings as money. Whatever you believe to have value. But more importantly, whatever you can manipulate others into believing will have value. Your choice. Don't pick gold though. I don't like gold. It looks like dirty silver to me. I've found large nuggets of it while rock-hounding one time and gave them away to other hikers because I just don't like the stuff. No, it was not galena, I know the difference. In fact galena is more interesting and valuable to me. I like the crystals it forms. Silver isn't all that great either. And the only value I found in diamonds was when living in a remote valley for a few years. We had to borrow a diamond-earring from one gal so we could cut out the bottom of an old jug to use it for our make-shift oven that we made out of a large 20 lb. flour-tin. We wanted a window in our oven. After that even that diamond had no value to us. Just that one time. Her diamond was safe with her even if she left it out sitting on a rock while away showering in the waterfall. In that valley the only thing that had any true value whatsoever was your personality, and what you could do for others. If you lacked either or both, you would be self-ostracized and had to leave. Nobody made them leave. They just didn't have anything of value. They never quite understood how it all worked. Pick something for currency that I too might find of value. Otherwise your choice will not be universally accepted as currency.
From: sobriquet on 28 Apr 2010 16:43 On 28 apr, 21:40, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: > On 2010-04-28 10:39:21 -0700, sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> said: > > > I believe in the universal declaration of human rights and that > > clearly grants me the right to share and exchange information freely > > (*). > > Maybe so, but you are not sharing information, you are stealing > intellectual property. > I'm ignoring spurious intellectual property claims. > > > > A nazi cockroach like you obviously fails to respect the universal > > declaration of human rights. > > > (*)http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/index.shtml#a19 > > You don't seem to understand what you have cited. > > There is nothing in Article 19 say it is OK to steal anything. People never take anything away on p2p networks.. they only duplicate and exchange bit-strings and hence there is no stealing involved whatsoever. > > As a matter of fact you seem to have ignored several other Article in > your treasured document, try Article 23(3); > "Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration > ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human > dignity, and supplemented, if necessary, by other means of social > protection." > ...but you don't work, you just steal, so you wouldn't know anything > about that. > and Article 17(2); > "No one shall be arbitrarily deprived of his property." > I guess you didn't read that one. > > So it seems you remain a thief, and violator of your Universal > Decloration of rights. > > -- > Regards, > > Savageduck You just keep regurgitating the same old bullshit that has been refuted time and again, so you are not just a nazi cockroach, you're also stuck in a loop. There is no intellectual property.. all bit-strings belong to the public domain. I'm not denying that people who create new content should be financially compensated for their efforts, that's why I'm all in favor of taxing information and improving the system (making it more transparent and uniform) that is supposed to distribute some or all of these taxes amongst people who contribute new content. Where I live, I pay taxes on information and I'm legally allowed to copy things like movies, pictures, music, etc.. for personal use, regardless of the legality of the source I obtain it from. You might be living in a fascist police state where people are not allowed to do this, but that is your problem, not mine.
From: sobriquet on 28 Apr 2010 16:45 On 28 apr, 22:34, D.J. <nocont...(a)noaddress.com> wrote: > On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:14:02 -0700 (PDT), sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > > > > >On 28 apr, 21:46, D.J. <nocont...(a)noaddress.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:52:50 -0700 (PDT), sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> > >> wrote: > > >> >If people would use bit-strings as money, you could expect people to > >> >share money on p2p > > >> Doesn't matter. Ever since the "silver certificate" and "gold certificate" > >> was done away with by the Reagan and Bush cartel there is nothing to > >> connect the printing on paper currency with real-goods. The only value that > >> any printed currency has today is how much you believe it to have. It has > >> no foundation in reality anymore. The bits on a bank's hard-drive are just > >> as valuable as the bits on your computer's hard-drives. They are connected > >> by law to the exact same amount of real goods. > > >> People just haven't figured this out yet. Or more importantly, they don't > >> want to realize it yet. Because when they do then nobody's "money" will > >> have any value. Which it already does not have, any value, other than the > >> cost of the paper and ink that was used to create it. > > >> Just clap your hands three times and say to yourself, "I believe, I > >> believe, I believe." For that is the ONLY thing that is giving any money > >> today any value whatsoever. > > >So we are wasting our time creating banknotes that have security > >features to prevent people from duplicating and sharing money as they > >see fit? > > >Maybe we should try to use bit-strings as money for a while to see if > >that makes things easier, if it doesn't really matter in your opinion > >whether we use banknotes or bit-strings as money. > > Whatever you believe to have value. But more importantly, whatever you can > manipulate others into believing will have value. > > Your choice. > > Don't pick gold though. I don't like gold. It looks like dirty silver to > me. I've found large nuggets of it while rock-hounding one time and gave > them away to other hikers because I just don't like the stuff. No, it was > not galena, I know the difference. In fact galena is more interesting and > valuable to me. I like the crystals it forms. Silver isn't all that great > either. And the only value I found in diamonds was when living in a remote > valley for a few years. We had to borrow a diamond-earring from one gal so > we could cut out the bottom of an old jug to use it for our make-shift oven > that we made out of a large 20 lb. flour-tin. We wanted a window in our > oven. After that even that diamond had no value to us. Just that one time. > Her diamond was safe with her even if she left it out sitting on a rock > while away showering in the waterfall. In that valley the only thing that > had any true value whatsoever was your personality, and what you could do > for others. If you lacked either or both, you would be self-ostracized and > had to leave. Nobody made them leave. They just didn't have anything of > value. They never quite understood how it all worked. > > Pick something for currency that I too might find of value. Otherwise your > choice will not be universally accepted as currency. Information is the currency of the (near) future. Money is a mostly redundant invention that plays a marginal role these days and will soon be a completely obsolete relic of the past.
From: Henry Olson on 28 Apr 2010 16:48 On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 16:14:36 -0400, "Tim Conway" <tconway_113(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >I see your point about leaving an item in public, but it still does *not* >make it right to take something that does not belong to you. The old adage >"finders keepers..." is merely childish talk and doesn't hold water. Tell that to the people of a whole country, a country that was taken from them by any means possible. One rule for governments ran by corporations and another rule for individuals, eh? Hypocrites, all. If only you people could use the excuse that you were born ignorant.
From: D.J. on 28 Apr 2010 16:55
On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:45:56 -0700 (PDT), sobriquet <dohduhdah(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >On 28 apr, 22:34, D.J. <nocont...(a)noaddress.com> wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 13:14:02 -0700 (PDT), sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >On 28 apr, 21:46, D.J. <nocont...(a)noaddress.com> wrote: >> >> On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 10:52:50 -0700 (PDT), sobriquet <dohduh...(a)yahoo.com> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >If people would use bit-strings as money, you could expect people to >> >> >share money on p2p >> >> >> Doesn't matter. Ever since the "silver certificate" and "gold certificate" >> >> was done away with by the Reagan and Bush cartel there is nothing to >> >> connect the printing on paper currency with real-goods. The only value that >> >> any printed currency has today is how much you believe it to have. It has >> >> no foundation in reality anymore. The bits on a bank's hard-drive are just >> >> as valuable as the bits on your computer's hard-drives. They are connected >> >> by law to the exact same amount of real goods. >> >> >> People just haven't figured this out yet. Or more importantly, they don't >> >> want to realize it yet. Because when they do then nobody's "money" will >> >> have any value. Which it already does not have, any value, other than the >> >> cost of the paper and ink that was used to create it. >> >> >> Just clap your hands three times and say to yourself, "I believe, I >> >> believe, I believe." For that is the ONLY thing that is giving any money >> >> today any value whatsoever. >> >> >So we are wasting our time creating banknotes that have security >> >features to prevent people from duplicating and sharing money as they >> >see fit? >> >> >Maybe we should try to use bit-strings as money for a while to see if >> >that makes things easier, if it doesn't really matter in your opinion >> >whether we use banknotes or bit-strings as money. >> >> Whatever you believe to have value. But more importantly, whatever you can >> manipulate others into believing will have value. >> >> Your choice. >> >> Don't pick gold though. I don't like gold. It looks like dirty silver to >> me. I've found large nuggets of it while rock-hounding one time and gave >> them away to other hikers because I just don't like the stuff. No, it was >> not galena, I know the difference. In fact galena is more interesting and >> valuable to me. I like the crystals it forms. Silver isn't all that great >> either. And the only value I found in diamonds was when living in a remote >> valley for a few years. We had to borrow a diamond-earring from one gal so >> we could cut out the bottom of an old jug to use it for our make-shift oven >> that we made out of a large 20 lb. flour-tin. We wanted a window in our >> oven. After that even that diamond had no value to us. Just that one time. >> Her diamond was safe with her even if she left it out sitting on a rock >> while away showering in the waterfall. In that valley the only thing that >> had any true value whatsoever was your personality, and what you could do >> for others. If you lacked either or both, you would be self-ostracized and >> had to leave. Nobody made them leave. They just didn't have anything of >> value. They never quite understood how it all worked. >> >> Pick something for currency that I too might find of value. Otherwise your >> choice will not be universally accepted as currency. > >Information is the currency of the (near) future. Money is a mostly >redundant invention that >plays a marginal role these days and will soon be a completely >obsolete relic of the past. Precisely why the corporations want to have full control over information. They even want to make public libraries illegal. They dictate what can be taught in universities too. If there are no corporate grants for that subject it won't be taught. They are destroying the very creativity of humanity that is going to ensure their survival. But then CEO's have never been too bright. Nor are those that strive to be like them and support them in their purchasing and law-making decisions in life. |