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From: Peter Köhlmann on 24 Nov 2009 07:25 Ulick Magee wrote: > Peter Köhlmann wrote: >> >> And please remove your "reply.to.server(a)your.provider.invalid" >> >> The only thing you achieve with that is annyoing posters who want to >> answer your post > > Is this a Knode issue? it's not a problem in Thunderbird. > No, KNode is doing the correct thing. It tries to answer in the group *and* by email as requested by houghi (Mail-Copies-to in the header) It would be bad enough if the email address is valid. It is totally unacceptable to supply such shite as above adress. And it is reason to report him to abuse if he does not stop it. He is forcing posters to send invalid emails. A complete No-No -- Support bacteria -- it's the only culture some people have!
From: David Bolt on 24 Nov 2009 09:04 On Tuesday 24 Nov 2009 12:39, while playing with a tin of spray paint, houghi painted this mural: > I am not forcing you to do anything <points the gun at the bambi> admit > it or the deer gets it. Don't hang about, just shoot it. It'll make a change from just puppies and kittens being killed. And, as a knode user, the only "issue" the header has for me is it I have to remember to toggle the "Send Email" off. Not exactly a lot of hard work to do. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 11.2 32b openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02
From: David Bolt on 24 Nov 2009 09:15 On Tuesday 24 Nov 2009 10:39, while playing with a tin of spray paint, houghi painted this mural: > Paul J Gans wrote: >> I don't quite agree. What I've seen is that functionality >> has been hidden. That isn't giving the user more control. >> The user is getting less. > > So you agree, not disagree with me. ;-) > <snip> I would agree about the user getting less control, but only in some areas. And for those using 4.1, get 4.3 installed. It's more stable and there's more control in 4.3 than there was in 4.1. I've been using KDE4.3 full time on my 11.1 system for quite a while now, and while it may not be exactly like 3.5, it's still comfortable to use. There are still some niggles with it, and the ones that bug me the most already have open bug reports so no point in me opening new ones. >> There's no objection on my part to adding new functionality >> or to adding new eye candy as long as they don't take old >> functionality away. > > And what do the KDE developers say about that? That it an interesting question to ask, especially since I rarely see anyone complaining about KDE4 actually make reference to any dialogue they've had with a developer. > The only thing we can do > here is applaud, discuss or moan about what is going on, but we are like > a forrest where nobody will hear the tree fall. Every time I hear/see that, I start suffering from the Lumberjack song running through my head. Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 11.2 32b openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02
From: David Bolt on 24 Nov 2009 09:51 On Tuesday 24 Nov 2009 11:34, while playing with a tin of spray paint, Ulick Magee painted this mural: > Darklight wrote: > >> I had a feeling some thing like this was going to happen when microsoft >> brought into suse. > > You are either trolling or are just repeating a line you heard about > issues you clearly do not understand. On this point, and the "how long it takes to port kde to microsoft" point, certainly feels like trolling to me. > Changes to KDE are as a result of decisions made by the KDE project. And which were to do with maintenance and development of the code. It was broken from the developers viewpoint, and so they fixed it by rewriting it. It's a major pity that the distros jumped on the "oooh, shiny and new" but "not really for public release" version of KDE and foisted it upon their users. If they'd waited until KDE 4.2 or 4.3, there would probably have been less complaints[0]. Unfortunately, the distros are in competition and everyone wants to be the first to have the "shiny and new" stuff, even if it's . > Switching distros may buy you some more time, but KDE3 is going to die > off sooner or later. As far as KDE is concerned, it's dead. As for future development, that's up to the distros and those users that can maintain it. The distros are already close to dropping it, and I think that some may have already done so. The number of users that feel they can maintain it is going to drop over time, and so it will end up suffering a slow death. > If you don't like KDE4 then use a different desktop environment, > openSUSE supports more than most other distros. XFCE is a nice one. I think it looks a little like KDE2, but it's fast and lighter weight than either Gnome or KDE. There's also Gnome, which I don't like. It seems like it is designed to hide a lot of the configuration options from the user, making it pretty good for newbies. As it's also pretty similar to KDE in looks, thanks to the various efforts to provide a standardised look, so it may even be good for those users that don't like to get into the nitty gritty and tweak every single thing they can. WindowMaker, IceWM and others are even lighter weight but are very different from KDE, Gnome and XFCE in looks. Still, they are usable, as there are at least a few people using these desktops and that post here. >> Now lets see how long it takes to port kde to microsoft. >> that is having a workable desk top for windows. > > Anyone can port KDE or any free software to anything they like, provided > they comply with the appropriate licences. Darklight is a bit late in asking how long it will take for KDE to be ported to Windows. There's been a project to do just that, hosted by kde.org[1], that's been running for over a year. It's still on KDE4.3.0 so it's just a little bit behind the main development releases. > Mac OSX is a proprietary OS largely based on BSD. Microsoft have used > BSD TCP/IP code previously (and maybe still do.) And you'd never know either way. [0] I hated KDE4.0 and immediately went back to 3.5. With KDE4.1, I still didn't like it and kept using 3.5. It wasn't until I discovered that some issues I'd had were (supposedly) fixed in 4.2 that I searched again. I found 4.3 was available and, while those issues that were supposedly fixed aren't quite, it's much more customisable and I now have it behaving similarly to how my 3.5 desktop behaved. [1] http://windows.kde.org/ Regards, David Bolt -- Team Acorn: www.distributed.net OGR-NG @ ~100Mnodes RC5-72 @ ~1Mkeys/s openSUSE 10.3 32b | openSUSE 11.0 32b | | openSUSE 11.2 32b openSUSE 10.3 64b | openSUSE 11.0 64b | openSUSE 11.1 64b | RISC OS 4.02 | RISC OS 3.11 | openSUSE 11.1 PPC | TOS 4.02
From: jamesromeongmail.com on 24 Nov 2009 12:06
On Nov 23, 4:51 pm, David Bailey <newsgro...(a)bailey.id.au> wrote: > On Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:45:24 -0800, jamesromeongmail.com wrote: > > 1) Is there any way to set keyboard shortcuts to switch desktops in > > pager? > > And how do I turn OFF desktop switching with the mouse? > > Start -> Personal Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse -> Global Keyboard > Shortcuts > > Select "KWin" KDE component > > Scroll down to "Switch to Next Desktop" and click on it. > Set the desired custom key combination (I use <CTRL> <ALT> Right) > > Repeat for "Switch to Previous Desktop" two items below > > Apply > > -- > Regards, > David Bailey > david _AT_ bailey _dot_ id _dot_ au Thanks! That was obscure. Now all I need to do is to turn off switching with the mouse. |