From: William B. Lurie on
John John - MVP wrote:
> William B. Lurie wrote:
>> John wrote:
>> (snip)
>>>>
>>>> This list was taken right after a reboot? I wonder what 16-bit/DOS
>>>> application would be running (inside the NTVDM) when you boot the
>>>> machine...
>>>>
>>>> John
>>> I'll do it again, John, if you ask me to.
>>> I think I may have had to run the commands
>>> from the actual DOS prompt (i.e., Start>Run>cmd);
>>> I couldn't find the files created by putting the commands
>>> into the Run>command window and executing from there.
>>>
>>> I'll try to do it again, now, and generate a new set.
>>> Yes, I'll reboot first.
>> ----------------------------------------------------
>> I did the following immediately after reboot, by going
>> to cmd DOS prompt, the C:\ and
>> net start > c:\test326a.txt
>> enter
>> tasklist /svc > c:\test326b.txt
>> enter
>>
>> And now I will copy and paste the two .txt files here.
>>
>>> These Windows services are started:
>>>
>>> Application Layer Gateway Service
>>> COM+ Event System
>>> Cryptographic Services
>>> DCOM Server Process Launcher
>>> DHCP Client
>>> Distributed Link Tracking Client
>>> DNS Client
>>> Error Reporting Service
>>> Event Log
>>> Fast User Switching Compatibility
>>> Help and Support
>>> LexBce Server
>>> lxct_device
>>> Network Connections
>>> Network Location Awareness (NLA)
>>> Norton AntiVirus
>>> Pervasive PSQL Workgroup Engine
>>> Plug and Play
>>> Print Spooler
>>> Protected Storage
>>> Remote Access Connection Manager
>>> Remote Procedure Call (RPC)
>>> Secondary Logon
>>> Security Accounts Manager
>>> Server
>>> Shell Hardware Detection
>>> Speed Disk service
>>> SSDP Discovery Service
>>> System Event Notification
>>> TCP/IP NetBIOS Helper
>>> Telephony
>>> Terminal Services
>>> Themes
>>> Viewpoint Manager Service
>>> WebClient
>>> Windows Audio
>>> Windows Firewall/Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
>>> Windows Management Instrumentation
>>> Windows Time
>>> Wireless Zero Configuration
>>> Workstation
>>>
>>> The command completed successfully.
>>>
>>
>> Image Name PID Services
>> ========================= ======
>> =============================================
>> System Idle Process 0 N/A
>> System 4 N/A
>> smss.exe 1200 N/A
>> csrss.exe 1280 N/A
>> winlogon.exe 1312 N/A
>> services.exe 1356 Eventlog, PlugPlay
>> lsass.exe 1368 ProtectedStorage, SamSs
>> svchost.exe 1532 DcomLaunch, TermService
>> svchost.exe 1628 RpcSs
>> svchost.exe 1796 AudioSrv, CryptSvc, Dhcp, ERSvc,
>> EventSystem,
>> FastUserSwitchingCompatibility,
>> helpsvc, lanmanserver,
>> lanmanworkstation,
>> Netman, Nla, RasMan, seclogon, SENS,
>> SharedAccess, ShellHWDetection, TapiSrv,
>> Themes, TrkWks, W32Time, winmgmt, WZCSVC
>> svchost.exe 1868 Dnscache
>> svchost.exe 244 LmHosts, SSDPSRV
>> LEXBCES.EXE 392 LexBceS
>> spoolsv.exe 552 Spooler
>> LEXPPS.EXE 584 N/A
>> explorer.exe 832 N/A
>> svchost.exe 944 WebClient
>> lxctcoms.exe 996 lxct_device
>> ccSvcHst.exe 1044 Norton AntiVirus
>> w3dbsmgr.exe 1520 psqlWGE
>> NOPDB.exe 1824 Speed Disk service
>> ViewpointService.exe 2028 Viewpoint Manager Service
>> ccSvcHst.exe 2540 N/A
>> alg.exe 4080 ALG
>> cmd.exe 2256 N/A
>> hpsysdrv.exe 2348 N/A
>> tasklist.exe 2644 N/A
>> wmiprvse.exe 2676 N/A
>>
>> Over to you, John.
>
> If I understand correctly, you have the machine set to hibernate after 2
> hours of inactivity but it can't enter the hibernation state because
> something keeps it awake...
>
> This is what I would try:
>
> Reboot the machine and don't do anything whatsoever after it boots,
> leave it alone for the time set for hibernation and see if it does
> hibernate.
>
> If it doesn't hibernate I would then try a clean boot and once again not
> touch the machine for the set time and see if it does hibernate.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
> How to configure Windows XP to start in a "clean boot" state
>
Okay, John....you have stated the problem concisely. with
the following additional clarification:

If hibernate is set for 2 hours.....it will not.
If set for 1 hour.......it does.

Later today I'll do as you say above, for the 2 hour test.
From: William B. Lurie on
John John - MVP wrote:
>
> If I understand correctly, you have the machine set to hibernate after 2
> hours of inactivity but it can't enter the hibernation state because
> something keeps it awake...
>
> This is what I would try:
>
> Reboot the machine and don't do anything whatsoever after it boots,
> leave it alone for the time set for hibernation and see if it does
> hibernate.
>
> If it doesn't hibernate I would then try a clean boot and once again not
> touch the machine for the set time and see if it does hibernate.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
> How to configure Windows XP to start in a "clean boot" state
>
> John
Just one more point: I am at the stage of using SP2 (not SP3)
but I believe I have installed one of the SP3 'fixes' which
were supposed to fix hibernate problems......
From: William B. Lurie on
John John - MVP wrote:
>
> If I understand correctly, you have the machine set to hibernate after 2
> hours of inactivity but it can't enter the hibernation state because
> something keeps it awake...
>
> This is what I would try:
>
> Reboot the machine and don't do anything whatsoever after it boots,
> leave it alone for the time set for hibernation and see if it does
> hibernate.
>
> If it doesn't hibernate I would then try a clean boot and once again not
> touch the machine for the set time and see if it does hibernate.
>
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
> How to configure Windows XP to start in a "clean boot" state
>
> John

John, I followed instructions. Touched NOTHING for 4 hours
(hibernate set at 2). Power-on light on tower was flashing
and it never went to hibernate. I'll read the Clean Boot instructions
again. Last time I thought it was quite an effort, but this is
this time. Maybe this evening.
From: Unknown on
William; I compared my services with yours since my system does not fail to
hibernate.
I'll post the differences. Do a Google search for 'viewpoint manager
services'. Looks suspicious.
I would also suspect Norton AntiVirus.
Differences (not on my system) are:
LexBce Server
lxct device
Norton AntiVirus-------I would definately get rid of this.
Pervasive PSQL Workgroup Engine
Speed Disk Service------Part of Norton
Viewpoint Manager Service


"William B. Lurie" <billurie(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
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> John John - MVP wrote:
>>
>> If I understand correctly, you have the machine set to hibernate after 2
>> hours of inactivity but it can't enter the hibernation state because
>> something keeps it awake...
>>
>> This is what I would try:
>>
>> Reboot the machine and don't do anything whatsoever after it boots, leave
>> it alone for the time set for hibernation and see if it does hibernate.
>>
>> If it doesn't hibernate I would then try a clean boot and once again not
>> touch the machine for the set time and see if it does hibernate.
>>
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>> How to configure Windows XP to start in a "clean boot" state
>>
>> John
>
> John, I followed instructions. Touched NOTHING for 4 hours
> (hibernate set at 2). Power-on light on tower was flashing
> and it never went to hibernate. I'll read the Clean Boot instructions
> again. Last time I thought it was quite an effort, but this is
> this time. Maybe this evening.


From: William B. Lurie on
Dear Unk:
Thanks for working with me. I'll let John comment more on
your list, but Norton Anti-Virus is my main protection and
I don't leave home without it. I could, of course, disconnect from
the phone line and disable it to see if somehow that's the cause.
One thing at a time.....

Unknown wrote:
> William; I compared my services with yours since my system does not fail to
> hibernate.
> I'll post the differences. Do a Google search for 'viewpoint manager
> services'. Looks suspicious.
> I would also suspect Norton AntiVirus.
> Differences (not on my system) are:
> LexBce Server
> lxct device
> Norton AntiVirus-------I would definately get rid of this.
> Pervasive PSQL Workgroup Engine
> Speed Disk Service------Part of Norton
> Viewpoint Manager Service
>
>
> "William B. Lurie" <billurie(a)nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:OPnYAYRzKHA.5940(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl...
>> John John - MVP wrote:
>>> If I understand correctly, you have the machine set to hibernate after 2
>>> hours of inactivity but it can't enter the hibernation state because
>>> something keeps it awake...
>>>
>>> This is what I would try:
>>>
>>> Reboot the machine and don't do anything whatsoever after it boots, leave
>>> it alone for the time set for hibernation and see if it does hibernate.
>>>
>>> If it doesn't hibernate I would then try a clean boot and once again not
>>> touch the machine for the set time and see if it does hibernate.
>>>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/310353
>>> How to configure Windows XP to start in a "clean boot" state
>>>
>>> John
>> John, I followed instructions. Touched NOTHING for 4 hours
>> (hibernate set at 2). Power-on light on tower was flashing
>> and it never went to hibernate. I'll read the Clean Boot instructions
>> again. Last time I thought it was quite an effort, but this is
>> this time. Maybe this evening.
>
>