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From: John Slade on 5 Aug 2010 16:40 On 8/4/2010 1:53 PM, David H. Lipman wrote: > From: "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> > > > >>> The term "malware" is generic. >>> The term "virus" is quite specific. > > > > | "Virus" is both a generic term and a specific term. Why do > | you think they call the software used to clean trojans and > | worms, "Anti-Virus" software? I'm sure you don't think that they > | only clean viruses and leave trojans and worms alone. It's all a > | matter of semantics. Just about all of the major anti-malware > | vendors have products that they call Anti-Virus. This is because > | it just stuck. You're a professional and you don't know this? > > Sorry John - No. Well it's time you learned. John
From: John Slade on 5 Aug 2010 16:41 On 8/4/2010 2:48 PM, FromTheRafters wrote: > "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message > news:J3j6o.48696$3%3.27633(a)newsfe23.iad... > > [...] > >> I know exactly what I'm talking about. So tell me what tools do >> you use to remove worms and trojans from computers? Are any of them >> called "Anti-Virus" software? > > Yes, but that is beside the point. No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is acceptable to just about everyone except a few anal retentive people who love to go around correcting everyone. John
From: John Slade on 5 Aug 2010 16:43 On 8/4/2010 4:29 PM, RJK wrote: > ...same old hair being split again an again :-) > > ...when someone dumps a system box in my lap, or pleads down the 'phone, he > or she often suspects that "...there's a virus in it." > > :-) > > regards, Richard > > LOL. The same thing happens to me. Do you think every time a customer does that I tell them, "It's not a virus! It's a trojan!" I'll tell them eventually what the malware was that caused the problem but I'll never be condescending to them like some other "professionals" out there. John
From: David Kaye on 5 Aug 2010 16:49 Since this is just catty remarks now, can you remove ba.internet from the follow-ups? Thanks
From: David H. Lipman on 5 Aug 2010 17:23
From: "John Slade" <hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> | On 8/4/2010 2:40 PM, FromTheRafters wrote: >> "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message >> news:G1j6o.53362$dx7.3611(a)newsfe21.iad... >> [...] >>> "Virus" is both a generic term and a specific term. >>> Why do you think they call the software used to clean >>> trojans and worms, "Anti-Virus" software? >> Generally, they call it antimalware unless it is also effective against >> viruses and worms (which are self-replicators). If it is effective >> against viruses, they call it an antivirus. Antivirus programs can also >> detect some non-replicating malware. | They call it that because it's quite common to refer to | all malware as viurses. Been this way for decades. >>> I'm sure you don't think that they only clean viruses >>> and leave trojans and worms alone. It's all a matter >>> of semantics. >> Of course it is, but semantics shouldn't be a dismissive word. The >> meanings of words are *important* to effective communications. | It's all a matter of who you're talking to. If the person | wants to nitpick even though they know what a person means then | what can you do but explain. I've worked for people who are very | computer savvy and people who are new to computers. I use all | the terms to describe the problem and rarely hear anyone nitpick | about using the word "virus" to describe a trojan or worm. It's | just acceptable. >>> Just about all of the major anti-malware vendors have >>> products that they call Anti-Virus. This is because it just >>> stuck. You're a professional and you don't know this? >> We all know this, and we don't like it one bit. The fact remains that >> viruses are a special case requiring more than what many antimalware >> applications are equipped to handle. | It seems to anger you on some level. I don't care in | the least what they call it, as long as it does the job. I'm sorry, just because the "average" person calls all malware a "virus" does not make it correct and if you insist on following this train of thought, please do NOT call yourself a "professional." -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |