From: John Slade on 5 Aug 2010 16:40
On 8/4/2010 1:53 PM, David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net>
>>> The term "malware" is generic.
>>> The term "virus" is quite specific.
> | "Virus" is both a generic term and a specific term. Why do
> | you think they call the software used to clean trojans and
> | worms, "Anti-Virus" software? I'm sure you don't think that they
> | only clean viruses and leave trojans and worms alone. It's all a
> | matter of semantics. Just about all of the major anti-malware
> | vendors have products that they call Anti-Virus. This is because
> | it just stuck. You're a professional and you don't know this?
> Sorry John - No.
Well it's time you learned.
From: John Slade on 5 Aug 2010 16:41
On 8/4/2010 2:48 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
> "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message
>> I know exactly what I'm talking about. So tell me what tools do
>> you use to remove worms and trojans from computers? Are any of them
>> called "Anti-Virus" software?
> Yes, but that is beside the point.
No that's the point entirely. The word "virus" is
acceptable to just about everyone except a few anal retentive
people who love to go around correcting everyone.
From: John Slade on 5 Aug 2010 16:43
On 8/4/2010 4:29 PM, RJK wrote:
> ...same old hair being split again an again :-)
> ...when someone dumps a system box in my lap, or pleads down the 'phone, he
> or she often suspects that "...there's a virus in it."
> regards, Richard
LOL. The same thing happens to me. Do you think every
time a customer does that I tell them, "It's not a virus! It's a
trojan!" I'll tell them eventually what the malware was that
caused the problem but I'll never be condescending to them like
some other "professionals" out there.
From: David Kaye on 5 Aug 2010 16:49
Since this is just catty remarks now, can you remove ba.internet from the
From: David H. Lipman on 5 Aug 2010 17:23
From: "John Slade" <hhitman86(a)pacbell.net>
| On 8/4/2010 2:40 PM, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> "John Slade"<hhitman86(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message
>>> "Virus" is both a generic term and a specific term.
>>> Why do you think they call the software used to clean
>>> trojans and worms, "Anti-Virus" software?
>> Generally, they call it antimalware unless it is also effective against
>> viruses and worms (which are self-replicators). If it is effective
>> against viruses, they call it an antivirus. Antivirus programs can also
>> detect some non-replicating malware.
| They call it that because it's quite common to refer to
| all malware as viurses. Been this way for decades.
>>> I'm sure you don't think that they only clean viruses
>>> and leave trojans and worms alone. It's all a matter
>>> of semantics.
>> Of course it is, but semantics shouldn't be a dismissive word. The
>> meanings of words are *important* to effective communications.
| It's all a matter of who you're talking to. If the person
| wants to nitpick even though they know what a person means then
| what can you do but explain. I've worked for people who are very
| computer savvy and people who are new to computers. I use all
| the terms to describe the problem and rarely hear anyone nitpick
| about using the word "virus" to describe a trojan or worm. It's
| just acceptable.
>>> Just about all of the major anti-malware vendors have
>>> products that they call Anti-Virus. This is because it just
>>> stuck. You're a professional and you don't know this?
>> We all know this, and we don't like it one bit. The fact remains that
>> viruses are a special case requiring more than what many antimalware
>> applications are equipped to handle.
| It seems to anger you on some level. I don't care in
| the least what they call it, as long as it does the job.
I'm sorry, just because the "average" person calls all malware a "virus" does not make it
correct and if you insist on following this train of thought, please do NOT call yourself
Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp