Worries About Stealing, etc
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From: MEB on 11 Apr 2010 12:17 On 04/11/2010 11:24 AM, Virus Guy wrote: > Leythos wrote: > >>> That depends on two things: >> >> No, Copyright does not require anything that you suggest, >> copyright is assumed as soon as you create the work. The >> authors identity is attached in clear form to the work >> that was pirated and removed by PCButts1. > > Please post the names of the authors of the code or scripts in question. > > If their names are already public knowledge (either in the "help - > about" section of the software, or in PTO or legal copyright documents, > or on the website that hosts the software) then you should have no > problem stating the author names as I request in your next reply to me. Stating specific names is not necessary nor required by Law anywhere, particularly to YOU as you have no legal authority in any form and it is clear your intent is to argue legal nonsense, just as you always do. IF the subject party can, by conclusive proof, show that *they* are the original creator, the Law protects the artistic license, copyright, and applicable other, from the moment the FACT occurred [save under extremely limited circumstances wherein other might apply] REGARDLESS of whether that party has done so in their TRUE name or not. Usage of a "nom de guerre" would not necessarily preclude legal right to the work. YOU, OTOH, being the party stealing the work, would be without defense should the creator/owner chose to proceed against you civilly, OR should it fall into the criminal Law area wherein any prosecutor of competent jurisdiction might take issue. Beyond that, you, as thief, would also be a perfect subject for ridicule, exposure, and whatever else others chose to leverage against you. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___---
From: Virus Guy on 11 Apr 2010 13:57 The Real Truth MVP wrote: > No, all of my software listed on http://www.ms-mvp.org/ is free and > I don't ask for donations. This code or scripts or what-ever it is, it's claimed to be available from 2 sources. You and someone else (the someone else being perhaps a single person, or a group of people - I don't know). Putting aside the issue of whether or not this is the exact same code or who is the second party in this matter, have they ever offered their version of it for sale? > > b) do any of the so-called authors make their real identity > > fully and clearly visible to the end user of the > > creative work - regardless if this work is given away > > for free or is sold to the end user. > > No, it is not required. I wasn't making the point that author identification was required in any sense for software to be made available for public use. The argument being made in this thread is that when code is "stolen" and then incorporated into another product, that the theft breaks the authorship trail, and the rightful authors are not properly acknowledged for their work. If, however, the authors never reveal themselves in the first place (ie - if they remain anonymous) then how can it be said that the real author(s) are harmed by the lack of proper acknowledgement? > > Has Leythos admitted to being an author of any of this code > > yet? > > That's part of the reason we are here. Leythos is not the author > of anything. To my recollection, he certainly has never admitted what role he has in this software (is it Malware Bytes? Is that what we're talking about?).
From: Virus Guy on 11 Apr 2010 14:06 Leythos wrote: > > Please post the names of the authors of the code or scripts in > > question. > > > > If their names are already public knowledge (either in the "help > > - about" section of the software, or in PTO or legal copyright > > documents, or on the website that hosts the software) then you > > should have no problem stating the author names as I request in > > your next reply to me. > > You can contact the author yourself. I don't want to contact the author. I just want to know who he is. Because a lot is being said about the harm he is suffering because others are stealing his code. So if he is so proud of his code, if his code is so good that it deserves proper attribution, then he must identify himself somehow so that end users can properly acknowledge his talent and efforts. You continue to situate yourself on the fence - not acknowledging or denying if you know who the authors are. I can only assume that since nobody else has bothered to post the names of these authors, that in reality he / they do not make themselves known, so no case can really be put forward that they are being harmed by the lack of proper attribution. You criticize The Real Truth / PC Butts for not properly attributing the authorship this so-called stolen code. But you are also not providing that same information. So you are no different than Butts in that regard.
From: Virus Guy on 11 Apr 2010 14:11 MEB wrote: > > If their names are already public knowledge (either in the "help - > > about" section of the software, or in PTO or legal copyright > > documents, or on the website that hosts the software) then you > > should have no problem stating the author names as I request in > > your next reply to me. > > Stating specific names is not necessary nor required by Law > anywhere, I never said that it was. I'm simply asking who is the other claimed author of this contentious code. Most of this thread deals with the injustice or harm that comes from stealing or using other people's code without giving proper attribution or recognition. So I'm asking who exactly should be given that attribution or recognition *if* indeed we are dealing with improper code usage.
From: David H. Lipman on 11 Apr 2010 15:09
From: "Virus Guy" <Virus(a)Guy.com> | Leythos wrote: >> > Please post the names of the authors of the code or scripts in >> > question. >> > >> > If their names are already public knowledge (either in the "help >> > - about" section of the software, or in PTO or legal copyright >> > documents, or on the website that hosts the software) then you >> > should have no problem stating the author names as I request in >> > your next reply to me. >> You can contact the author yourself. | I don't want to contact the author. I just want to know who he is. | Because a lot is being said about the harm he is suffering because | others are stealing his code. | So if he is so proud of his code, if his code is so good that it | deserves proper attribution, then he must identify himself somehow so | that end users can properly acknowledge his talent and efforts. | You continue to situate yourself on the fence - not acknowledging or | denying if you know who the authors are. | I can only assume that since nobody else has bothered to post the names | of these authors, that in reality he / they do not make themselves | known, so no case can really be put forward that they are being harmed | by the lack of proper attribution. | You criticize The Real Truth / PC Butts for not properly attributing the | authorship this so-called stolen code. | But you are also not providing that same information. | So you are no different than Butts in that regard. I just posted several names recently in alt.* threads. Find it ! -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp |