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From: Ron Gibson on 2 Sep 2005 02:44 On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:09 -0500, Teilhard Knight wrote: > I sometimes ask myself whether Mandriva is taken as a distro for beginners. > And Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Suse, and Slackware are taken as distros for > serious geeks. I do not recall it now, but I have come to many instances > where mandriva is left aside. Even people in the groups and mailing lists of > the "geeks's" distros are less friendly and engage in rather technical > complexities. Little patience to the newbie. To a degree that's true (or so it used to be glaringly true n the Slack NG) but I'd cite that as more or a problen with USENET in general. Let's face it. Many have nothing more than bluster to offer. If they perhaps hold some trinket of knowledge that someone needs many prefer to beat them over the head with it for 1000 words rather than offering a 100 word explanation. It's their way of self stroking. Now pre widespread net access I participated in the FIDO Slack and when I got a connection participitated in the Slack USENET NG. It was totally different. See the problem today is any idiot or psychopath can and *will* crawl out from under their rocks.
From: Crashdamage on 2 Sep 2005 06:43 On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 03:37:01 GMT, Ron Gibson <rsgibson(a)verizon.net> wrote: > On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 15:12:49 -0500, Teilhard Knight wrote: >>> fine on my 10.1 box. You can download and try it free for 10 days, >>> then >>> just $19.95 U.S. for a license. >>> http://www.nero.com/en/NeroLINUX.html >>> >>> And who says Mandrive isn't taken seriously...? > >> Glad Nero worked fine on Fedora. It is one of the supported distros, but I >> need it for Mandrake, and it is not supported according to Nero's site. >> That's why I say Mandriva is not taken seriously. > > It will install and work but it has nothing, zip, zero advantages over > the several free burning options. IOW, don't bother is my suggestion. Not true. It will copy multiple data tracks, something k3b doesn't do. Also, I've long used Nero in Windows, so it gives me a consistent UI with either OS. And as a nice advantage for me, I won't have to install friggin' KDE anymore to run it. kb3 was (I think, I hope) the last reason I needed KDE. So there are some definite advantages, at least for me. But there's more to it than that. Free is good of course, but we need to think about more than cost alone. Look at it this way: if we want to see Linux succeed as a desktop/server system, not just on the server level or as a hobby OS for geeks' home use, but gain widespread adoption and actually be a viable alternative for use at work, i.e., if we want to see pre-installed Linux systems sold side by side with M$ Vista systems, boxed software on shelves, more common business, personal apps and games ported to Linux, it won't happen by supporting only OSS. Not all the stuff people and companies want and need are or ever will be OSS. For example, OSS will never make use of Linux a possibilty in my business. Impossible. Right now, I can't even use Linux at the server level, never mind putting it on desktops. It will require commercial software and widespread adoption of Linux for it to ever become viable. For that to ever happen, at some point manufacturers have to see some $$ incentive to write for Linux, perceive a market for their products. The way to show that exists is to buy Linux software when a company like Nero - or Mandriva, or Novell, or Win4Lin, whoever - makes a serious attempt to market to Linux users. Anyway, $20 is pretty light for a good Linux burner like I think Nero now is. I hope it generates some buzz - and income - for Nero, to help spark the Linux software market. -- Registered Linux user #266531
From: Teilhard Knight on 5 Sep 2005 17:38 Aragorn wrote: > On Friday 02 September 2005 02:08, Teilhard Knight stood up and spoke > the following words to the masses...: > >> I sometimes ask myself whether Mandriva is taken as a distro for >> beginners. And Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Suse, and Slackware are taken >> as distros for serious geeks. I do not recall it now, but I have come >> to many instances where mandriva is left aside. Even people in the >> groups and mailing lists of the "geeks's" distros are less friendly >> and engage in rather technical complexities. Little patience to the >> newbie. > > I believe that this situation came to be because of the fact that > Mandrake/Mandriva have always focused on the desktop market and have > only later on adopted the server market. > > RedHat, Debian and Slackware already had very solid reputations in the > server market long before Mandrake/Mandriva forayed into it as well. > > SuSE is also a more desktop-oriented distribution, but it has more > popularity because it's older than Mandrake/Mandriva and it used to > come in a very extensive format, i.e. they used to offer the most > packages of all commercial distributions. > > And now they have Novell as a Big Name to back them up... ;-) I see. Obviously the situation would be different if I used the servers, instead of just having a home little network. I need a desktop-oriented distro, but I must realize that Linux is much more than that. -- Teilhard Knight The Extraterrestrial I'm not screwed up................It's all in my mind. Change "privacy" for "softhome" if you want to intrude my inbox
From: Teilhard Knight on 5 Sep 2005 17:46 Dan C wrote: > On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:09 -0500, Teilhard Knight wrote: > >> I sometimes ask myself whether Mandriva is taken as a distro for >> beginners. > > It is often seen that way, although personally I don't think so. > Rather, it is a distro which is good for beginners and veterans > alike, IMHO. > >> And Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Suse, and Slackware are taken as >> distros for serious geeks. > > I would put Debian and Slackware in that category, but not the others. Well, my opinions are of not too much weight as I am a beginner. I just find that Mandrake/Mandriva is normally not very fortunate with third-party vendors. -- Teilhard
From: Teilhard Knight on 5 Sep 2005 18:02
Ron Gibson wrote: > On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 19:08:09 -0500, Teilhard Knight wrote: > >> I sometimes ask myself whether Mandriva is taken as a distro for > beginners. >> And Red Hat, Fedora, Debian, Suse, and Slackware are taken as distros > for >> serious geeks. I do not recall it now, but I have come to many >> instances where mandriva is left aside. Even people in the groups >> and mailing lists of the "geeks's" distros are less friendly and >> engage in rather technical complexities. Little patience to the >> newbie. > > To a degree that's true (or so it used to be glaringly true n the > Slack NG) but I'd cite that as more or a problen with USENET in > general. > > Let's face it. Many have nothing more than bluster to offer. If they > perhaps hold some trinket of knowledge that someone needs many prefer > to beat them over the head with it for 1000 words rather than > offering a 100 word explanation. It's their way of self stroking. > > Now pre widespread net access I participated in the FIDO Slack and > when I got a connection participitated in the Slack USENET NG. It was > totally different. > > See the problem today is any idiot or psychopath can and *will* crawl > out from under their rocks. Yes, that happens a lot. There have been occasions where I am told to do something and I do it, but something fails. Then I respond to the chap the problem and I am not answered afterwards. But also there is the other side of the coin, some chaps who stay with you until you solve the problem. I think is like in real life, as opposed to Internet, there are all sort of people. -- Teilhard |