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From: tbmoas58 on 24 Jan 2008 12:06 "gwatts" <gwatts(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:zi3mj.2664$Sa1.1783(a)news02.roc.ny... > mcsteve wrote: >> "gwatts" ranted: >> >>> You guys must find it interesting or fun to watch bands flounder when >>> you know a little help would go along way. It must be gratifying to >>> know you're damaging someone's musical career because you're too burnt >>> out or too elitist >> >> >> >> You chose to ignore this: >> >>>> "Sometimes, a little diplomacy and >>>> coaxing is needed." >>>> > > No I didn't, did you ignore 'suggested I be allowed to help' part? > >> I am not a drum tech. If a drum needs to be tuned, I ask the >> drummer to do it. I will make suggestions as necessary. >> Conversely, I do not expect band members to ring out the >> monitors, or set up the mics. I do my job, they do theirs. > > My job, as I see it, is to get the best sound possible and do what needs > to be done to get that. I guess I work with the benefit of having been a > drum tech, a guitar tech, a bass tech, a keyboard tech, (no brass or > reeds, though), the monitor engineer, the system tech, the A1, the > production manager, the venue crew chief... and I'm not afraid of using > any skill I have to get a better show. and I hire shits like you, so I can do the important work of making sure the job is done correctly, on time , to spec and paid for George OWNER
From: mcsteve on 24 Jan 2008 12:56 "gwatts" mumbled > mcsteve wrote: >> You chose to ignore this: >> >>>> "Sometimes, a little diplomacy and >>>> coaxing is needed." >>>> > > No I didn't, > Your accusation that I am "too burnt out or elitist" ignores that I clearly stated my method of using diplomacy and coaxing. If I am working FOH or monitors, and not directly employed by the band, it is not up to me to tune anything for them, nor do I feel obligated to deal with any of their backline. That's simply not my job. You cannot polish a turd, and I've yet to see a console with a "talent" knob. -- Steve <snip> McQ
From: gwatts on 24 Jan 2008 16:13 mcsteve wrote: > "gwatts" mumbled > >> mcsteve wrote: >> >>> You chose to ignore this: >>> >>>>> "Sometimes, a little diplomacy and >>>>> coaxing is needed." >>>>> >> >> No I didn't, > > > > Your accusation that I am "too burnt out or elitist" ignores that I > clearly stated my method of using diplomacy and coaxing. > If I am working FOH or monitors, and not directly employed by > the band, it is not up to me to tune anything for them, nor do I > feel obligated to deal with any of their backline. That's simply > not my job. I see that as elitist. You're approach is 'It's a job, that's not my job.' Not a thing wrong with that. My approach is 'Get this show up.' I don't see anything wrong with that either. Just don't stand in my way. > You cannot polish a turd, and I've yet to see a console with > a "talent" knob. Agreed and agreed, but musical talent doesn't necessarily imply the mechanical talent to repair instruments or the analytical talent to troubleshoot and fix backline. There are times my advice was 'Punt!' and I stayed out of the way of the train wreck, but it was ugly.
From: Phildo on 24 Jan 2008 17:04 "Ty Ford" <tyreeford(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:KJadnRvdbMIYLQXanZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d(a)comcast.com... > On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:28:58 -0500, Phildo wrote > (in article <5vp4prF1ntngoU1(a)mid.individual.net>): > >> >> "Ty Ford" <tyreeford(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >> news:htWdnaPVGfTb0granZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d(a)comcast.com... >>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:11:51 -0500, Phildo wrote >>> (in article <5voi79F1nej56U1(a)mid.individual.net>): >>> >>>> (I bet Arny & Bony have bought them). >>> >>> Not helpful. >> >> It's called humour (or humor for you septics). Arny and Bony are figures >> of >> fun on here and get lampooned as a result of their previous posting >> history >> where they clearly showed that a) they lacked live sound knowledge and b) >> were completely unaware of a) and thought they knew everything about live >> sound. >> >> Transplant surgery is coming on in leaps and bounds these days so we can >> only hope that one day they'll be able to give you a new sense of humour >> to >> replace yours which is obviously defective. Maybe then you can get over >> yourself and become a useful contributor. >> >> Phildo > > :sigh: So after attacking Anry, you attack me. Again not helpful. Yes because you deserve it. Fuckwits get what fuckwits deserve. You are a fuckwit. > Your hurtful words may be funny to you, but they are still negative > thoughts > that you should keep to yourself. Try a more positive approach. Get over yourself already. Phildo
From: Ty Ford on 24 Jan 2008 17:25
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:42:30 -0500, tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com wrote (in article <13phcfc5c38ibe7(a)corp.supernews.com>): > > "Ty Ford" <tyreeford(a)comcast.net> wrote in message > news:KJadnRvdbMIYLQXanZ2dnUVZ_q7inZ2d(a)comcast.com... >> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 10:28:58 -0500, Phildo wrote >> (in article <5vp4prF1ntngoU1(a)mid.individual.net>): >> >>> >>> "Ty Ford" <tyreeford(a)comcast.net> wrote in message >>> news:htWdnaPVGfTb0granZ2dnUVZ_h_inZ2d(a)comcast.com... >>>> On Wed, 23 Jan 2008 05:11:51 -0500, Phildo wrote >>>> (in article <5voi79F1nej56U1(a)mid.individual.net>): >>>> >>>>> (I bet Arny & Bony have bought them). >>>> >>>> Not helpful. >>> >>> It's called humour (or humor for you septics). Arny and Bony are figures >>> of >>> fun on here and get lampooned as a result of their previous posting >>> history >>> where they clearly showed that a) they lacked live sound knowledge and b) >>> were completely unaware of a) and thought they knew everything about live >>> sound. >>> >>> Transplant surgery is coming on in leaps and bounds these days so we can >>> only hope that one day they'll be able to give you a new sense of humour >>> to >>> replace yours which is obviously defective. Maybe then you can get over >>> yourself and become a useful contributor. >>> >>> Phildo >> >>> sigh: So after attacking Anry, you attack me. Again not helpful. >> >> Your hurtful words may be funny to you, but they are still negative >> thoughts >> that you should keep to yourself. Try a more positive approach. >> >> Ty Ford >> >> >> > Still not helpful,Ty > if your going to lecture people , be sure your not part of the problem > yourself > I reconize I am part of the problem, and have tried to moderate , somewhat, > mostly keeping my flames focused on one or two especially ignorant > indviduals > George Ah well there you have it. Asking people to be less negative and be more positive is something you don't find helpful. What a strange thought process. I'd like to hear more of what you think works better. Please do it by email and take it off list. Ty Ford --Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RZJ9MptZmU |