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From: r norman on 10 Jun 2010 08:27 On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:21:06 -0700, "Mihai N." <nmihai_year_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> This newsgroup has been more than a "forum" to me. I have life long >> friends >> from participation here like you, Joe, G, Ajay, Mihai, all the other >> Davids, >> Scott, many of whom I've met in person and shared cheesecake. Our >> camaraderie here has grown beyond just answering tech questions. In the >> midst of it all we've become friends. I think we will stay friends :o) but >> I will miss this kind of banter and the chance to talk about other things >> besides the answer to the immediate question at hand. > >I really hope we will manage to keep the connection alive :-) >It was really nice hangin out with all of you, virtualy and in reality. > > >> support) and it's easy to point to them using an HTML link. We are pretty >> tech-savvy so we have a different perspective, but if you consider someone >> like my wife looking for an answer she'd be much more comfortable with a >> browser interface. I'm sure they considered all of this in the decision >> process. > >But I guess your wife is not a MFC programmer. >While I can buy the argument of non-geeks using the forums for Office, >or even Express, I would be very worried to hear that someone who >claims to be a programmer is puzzled by newsgroups. > >But hey, it is what it is :-) I guess you should blame Borland for developing Turbo Pascal, a programming tool with a graphics oriented interface. That made us all lazy and now we just click and drag instead of programming and rely on the compiler to find our errors (syntactic ones, at least). We should all go back to Edlin and learn how to do things for ourselves! OK, we can go back to MASM and WordStar and if I mention the keypunch and submitting decks of cards hoping for less than 12 hour turnaround time I would be revealing my age.
From: Hector Santos on 10 Jun 2010 09:09 Pete Delgado wrote: > "David Ching" <dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote in message > news:B4D1F4B9-AFB2-4630-A219-C68CFC42B9EC(a)microsoft.com... >> "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve(a)tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >> news:0sev06h6hoao6kludhj131759aa82oa6gm(a)4ax.com... >>> It >>> does seem to be fairly busy but it will never replace the simplicity >>> and convenience of using this newsgroup. >>> >> Nor will it replace the community spirit we have here, what with the >> emphasis on Please, Please, mark my post as Answer so I get more points! >> It's more strictly business over there. >> >> -- David > > On the bright side, the reality that Peter Olcott will never mark his > questions as having been answered "correctly" means that far fewer people > will be likely to respond to his drivel! No more epic threads! lol HA! 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From: Bo Persson on 10 Jun 2010 09:08 r norman wrote: > On Wed, 09 Jun 2010 22:21:06 -0700, "Mihai N." > <nmihai_year_2000(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >>> This newsgroup has been more than a "forum" to me. I have life >>> long friends >>> from participation here like you, Joe, G, Ajay, Mihai, all the >>> other Davids, >>> Scott, many of whom I've met in person and shared cheesecake. Our >>> camaraderie here has grown beyond just answering tech questions. >>> In the midst of it all we've become friends. I think we will >>> stay friends :o) but I will miss this kind of banter and the >>> chance to talk about other things besides the answer to the >>> immediate question at hand. >> >> I really hope we will manage to keep the connection alive :-) >> It was really nice hangin out with all of you, virtualy and in >> reality. >> >> >>> support) and it's easy to point to them using an HTML link. We >>> are pretty tech-savvy so we have a different perspective, but if >>> you consider someone like my wife looking for an answer she'd be >>> much more comfortable with a browser interface. I'm sure they >>> considered all of this in the decision process. >> >> But I guess your wife is not a MFC programmer. >> While I can buy the argument of non-geeks using the forums for >> Office, or even Express, I would be very worried to hear that >> someone who claims to be a programmer is puzzled by newsgroups. >> >> But hey, it is what it is :-) > > I guess you should blame Borland for developing Turbo Pascal, a > programming tool with a graphics oriented interface. That made us > all lazy and now we just click and drag instead of programming and > rely on the compiler to find our errors (syntactic ones, at least). > We should all go back to Edlin and learn how to do things for > ourselves! > > OK, we can go back to MASM and WordStar and if I mention the > keypunch and submitting decks of cards hoping for less than 12 hour > turnaround time I would be revealing my age. Yes, some of us have been through all that. :-) However, this time we are offered a less useful interface that takes more time to work. In my news reader each entry takes only one line, and I can browse all the threads at once, perhaps looking for replies from interesting people. In the forum, I have to first click on each thread to see who is posting. Then scroll much further to see each entry. For a long thread that is just a LOT of scrolling. And why do we need a Reply button for each entry, instead of the one I have in my menu bar? And MVP medals, come on! If it was "New And Improved" I would buy that, but just new? No thanks! Bo Persson
From: David Ching on 10 Jun 2010 10:13 "r norman" <r_s_norman(a)comcast.net> wrote in message news:u8m1161otvchmdoh88ec55hcji968dq7m1(a)4ax.com... > I guess you should blame Borland for developing Turbo Pascal, a > programming tool with a graphics oriented interface. That made us all > lazy and now we just click and drag instead of programming and rely on > the compiler to find our errors (syntactic ones, at least). We > should all go back to Edlin and learn how to do things for ourselves! > <smile> Line oriented editors... <shudder> But Microsoft QuickBASIC had a mouse interface (and even integrated debugger) before Borland's did.... -- David
From: Tom Serface on 10 Jun 2010 11:27
FWIW I think the 2010 Office ribbon is customizable :o) Tom "Mikel" <mikel.luri(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:38ec750f-0ca0-46d4-b45b-796fde21f739(a)q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... > Yes, lately MS has been more worried about making things easier for > beginners or non-techies, than for experts. And also more worried > about "sellability" of their products, instead of usability. > Only that can explain the non-customizable Office ribbon, the VS IDE, > the move from newsgroups to forums... They look great in screenshots > and at first they are easier. But in the long run, you are stuck with > those tools for beginners. |