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From: Tom Serface on 10 Jun 2010 11:55 Yeah, one of my major peeves with all of the proliferation of the info in these groups is that if you ever use Bing of Google to look for a topic these days you usually get a page or two of the same thing just linked by someone else who copied the information. That seems to happen with the forums too, but not as much. The "same" data looks different since it is on a different site, but the threads end up being the same. More noise. Tom "David Ching" <dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote in message news:eKAcBMLCLHA.6140(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > Now that consumer Internet connections coming into homes don't have NNTP, > I don't think people are really exposed to NNTP as much. Even the past > several years, people have been consuming Google Groups with newsgroups in > general. So I think the current generation of programmers might not know > about NNTP or be expected to. >>
From: Hans-J. Ude on 10 Jun 2010 11:57 Stephen Wolstenholme schrieb: >I installed Jochen's bridge so I could sample Msdn.en-US.vcmfcatl as a >newsgroup because I can't stand the inconvenience of web forums. It >does seem to be fairly busy but it will never replace the simplicity >and convenience of using this newsgroup. Me too, and he really made a good job. But this NG makes more fun and has a higher level of competence. Hans
From: Cholo Lennon on 10 Jun 2010 12:20 On 10/06/2010 07:08, Mikel wrote: > On 10 jun, 07:21, "Mihai N."<nmihai_year_2...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> This newsgroup has been more than a "forum" to me. I have life long >>> friends >>> from participation here like you, Joe, G, Ajay, Mihai, all the other >>> Davids, >>> Scott, many of whom I've met in person and shared cheesecake. Our >>> camaraderie here has grown beyond just answering tech questions. In the >>> midst of it all we've become friends. I think we will stay friends :o) but >>> I will miss this kind of banter and the chance to talk about other things >>> besides the answer to the immediate question at hand. >> >> I really hope we will manage to keep the connection alive :-) >> It was really nice hangin out with all of you, virtualy and in reality. >> >>> support) and it's easy to point to them using an HTML link. We are pretty >>> tech-savvy so we have a different perspective, but if you consider someone >>> like my wife looking for an answer she'd be much more comfortable with a >>> browser interface. I'm sure they considered all of this in the decision >>> process. >> >> But I guess your wife is not a MFC programmer. >> While I can buy the argument of non-geeks using the forums for Office, >> or even Express, I would be very worried to hear that someone who >> claims to be a programmer is puzzled by newsgroups. >> >> But hey, it is what it is :-) >> >> -- >> Mihai Nita [Microsoft MVP, Visual C++]http://www.mihai-nita.net >> ------------------------------------------ >> Replace _year_ with _ to get the real email > > Yes, lately MS has been more worried about making things easier for > beginners or non-techies, than for experts. And also more worried > about "sellability" of their products, instead of usability. > Only that can explain the non-customizable Office ribbon, the VS IDE, > the move from newsgroups to forums... They look great in screenshots > and at first they are easier. But in the long run, you are stuck with > those tools for beginners. But AFAIK developers aren't normal users... so IMHO if you can program something you can configure a news reader. With this point of view of making everything easy for everyone at the same level (and without consulting), MS is putting in the same bag developers and grandmothers (well, at least in my case, my grandmothers don't understand a computer :-P Regards -- Cholo Lennon Bs.As. ARG
From: Pete Delgado on 10 Jun 2010 12:35 "Peter Olcott" <NoSpam(a)OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message news:T5KdnUHiJ-iCaJLRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... > On 6/9/2010 1:34 PM, Pete Delgado wrote: >> "David Ching"<dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote in message >> news:B4D1F4B9-AFB2-4630-A219-C68CFC42B9EC(a)microsoft.com... >>> "Stephen Wolstenholme"<steve(a)tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:0sev06h6hoao6kludhj131759aa82oa6gm(a)4ax.com... >>>> It >>>> does seem to be fairly busy but it will never replace the simplicity >>>> and convenience of using this newsgroup. >>>> >>> >>> Nor will it replace the community spirit we have here, what with the >>> emphasis on Please, Please, mark my post as Answer so I get more points! >>> It's more strictly business over there. >>> >>> -- David >> >> On the bright side, the reality that Peter Olcott will never mark his >> questions as having been answered "correctly" means that far fewer people >> will be likely to respond to his drivel! No more epic threads! lol >> >> >> -Pete >> >> > Another bright spot is that with moderation rudeness would be diminished. > Possibly also with moderation people might actually answer questions > instead of endlessly dancing around the question because the answer is not > known. > > One of my posts regarding the correctness of my UTF32toUTF8() function, > there were very many posts, but, only a single post from a single > respondent that actually answered the question. Come on Peter, lets examine the facts: * your insistance that you are always correct -regardless of the amount of contrary information that exists * your ever-changing arguments, requirements and justifications. * your inability to do ANY research for yourself * your claims that your algorithms/design/code is the a) fastest, b) easist to understand c) most effecient d) correct when it clearly is not * the fact that you are always trying to get someone to do the work for you * the fact that you must ALWAYS have the final word on any thread no matter how trivial the comment * the fact that you have not produced a real product even after 10 years of development! at this point, calling your threads "drivel" is being kind... -Pete
From: Peter Olcott on 10 Jun 2010 12:57
On 6/10/2010 11:35 AM, Pete Delgado wrote: > "Peter Olcott"<NoSpam(a)OCR4Screen.com> wrote in message > news:T5KdnUHiJ-iCaJLRnZ2dnUVZ_gKdnZ2d(a)giganews.com... >> On 6/9/2010 1:34 PM, Pete Delgado wrote: >>> "David Ching"<dc(a)remove-this.dcsoft.com> wrote in message >>> news:B4D1F4B9-AFB2-4630-A219-C68CFC42B9EC(a)microsoft.com... >>>> "Stephen Wolstenholme"<steve(a)tropheus.demon.co.uk> wrote in message >>>> news:0sev06h6hoao6kludhj131759aa82oa6gm(a)4ax.com... >>>>> It >>>>> does seem to be fairly busy but it will never replace the simplicity >>>>> and convenience of using this newsgroup. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Nor will it replace the community spirit we have here, what with the >>>> emphasis on Please, Please, mark my post as Answer so I get more points! >>>> It's more strictly business over there. >>>> >>>> -- David >>> >>> On the bright side, the reality that Peter Olcott will never mark his >>> questions as having been answered "correctly" means that far fewer people >>> will be likely to respond to his drivel! No more epic threads! lol >>> >>> >>> -Pete >>> >>> >> Another bright spot is that with moderation rudeness would be diminished. >> Possibly also with moderation people might actually answer questions >> instead of endlessly dancing around the question because the answer is not >> known. >> >> One of my posts regarding the correctness of my UTF32toUTF8() function, >> there were very many posts, but, only a single post from a single >> respondent that actually answered the question. > > Come on Peter, lets examine the facts: > > * your insistance that you are always correct -regardless of the amount of > contrary information that exists > * your ever-changing arguments, requirements and justifications. > * your inability to do ANY research for yourself > * your claims that your algorithms/design/code is the a) fastest, b) easist > to understand c) most effecient d) correct when it clearly is not > * the fact that you are always trying to get someone to do the work for you > * the fact that you must ALWAYS have the final word on any thread no matter > how trivial the comment > * the fact that you have not produced a real product even after 10 years of > development! > > at this point, calling your threads "drivel" is being kind... > > -Pete > > None of your rhetoric even attempts to refute the objective facts that I presented above. Red Herring arguments may be persuasive to the feeble minded. Since no one here fits that description, why bother with presenting Red Herring arguments? |