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From: Jon Peltier on 5 May 2010 22:57 There are two problems with NNTP, from Microsoft's viewpoint: 1. It's old and unshiny. 2. It was not invented in Redmond. - Jon ------- Jon Peltier Peltier Technical Services, Inc. http://peltiertech.com/ On 5/5/2010 7:26 PM, Bruce Sinclair wrote: > In article<#WL3lhA7KHA.3184(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "T. Valko"<biffinpitt(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> I didn't go to this link to read about the replacement forum: >> >> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >> >> So I have no idea if that link mentions the location of the new forums. >> >> The new Excel forums are located at: >> >> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx >> >> I've started posting there. The UI is completely different but it's still a >> web based forum! > > This is a backward step IMO. To me, newsgroups have everything that is good > with nothing (well, OK, very little :) ) that is bad about the on line > community. A short list of these would include: > > Quick and easy. > Simple disply. > Can get headers only and download just what you want to read. > Properly threaded discussions. > Access to hundreds/thousands of helpful knowlegeable people not only willing > but eager to help. > Text only (ie *not* web based). > Many news readers available ... there's is bound to be something out there > to suit everyone. > Archived. > > Negatives ? Well, a few spammers and idiots ... but most news software has > excellent filters, so that's taken care of. :) > > > For myself, I will never use a browser to read news or "forums". It's too > slow, too clunky and cumbersome, has bad to non existent threading, bad to > no filters and is ugly, to name a few reasons. > > I guess there will be a few die hards<puts up hand> that stick with MS news > groups, for a while at least, and it is likely there will still be some > traffic for a while with a few people willing and able to help ... but it > sounds like MS is trying to kill off this helpful support line. > > Given it's free to them, I can't imagine why they think this is a good idea. > > > >
From: Bob Phillips on 6 May 2010 03:35 "Jon Peltier" <jonNO(a)SPAMpeltiertech.com> wrote in message news:u2JK1fM7KHA.4804(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > There are two problems with NNTP, from Microsoft's viewpoint: > > 1. It's old and unshiny. > 2. It was not invented in Redmond. 3. They are not able to control it - now they decide what is THE right answer 4. It doesn't have the highly desirable points (now what can they possibly be for)
From: Bob Phillips on 6 May 2010 03:35 "Jim Cone" <james.coneXXX(a)comcast.netXXX> wrote in message news:urPDAWM7KHA.5848(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > I agree with you and Bruce. > However... > the new Answers site could be a winner if it used the Ribbon. <g> By gosh, I think he's got it!
From: Peter T on 6 May 2010 05:33 "Joe User" <joeu2004> wrote in message news:% > "T. Valko" <biffinpitt(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> I will never again reply to any of your posts and I >> will not acknowledge any of your replies to my posts. > > > Talk about overreaction! I didn't think it was overreaction. You seem to have some worthwhile contributions to make yet sometimes you end up antagonizing people with no apparent reason. I once went out of my way to help you and spent quite a lot of time in so doing. Maybe in the end it wasn't helpful, your response back was the only rude reply I have ever had in these newsgroups. Perhaps it's just a way you have! Regards, Peter T
From: Ron Rosenfeld on 6 May 2010 06:44
On Wed, 05 May 2010 23:26:01 GMT, bruce.sinclair(a)NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) wrote: >In article <#WL3lhA7KHA.3184(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "T. Valko" <biffinpitt(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>I didn't go to this link to read about the replacement forum: >> >>http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >> >>So I have no idea if that link mentions the location of the new forums. >> >>The new Excel forums are located at: >> >>http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx >> >>I've started posting there. The UI is completely different but it's still a >>web based forum! > >This is a backward step IMO. To me, newsgroups have everything that is good >with nothing (well, OK, very little :) ) that is bad about the on line >community. A short list of these would include: > >Quick and easy. >Simple disply. >Can get headers only and download just what you want to read. >Properly threaded discussions. >Access to hundreds/thousands of helpful knowlegeable people not only willing >but eager to help. >Text only (ie *not* web based). >Many news readers available ... there's is bound to be something out there >to suit everyone. >Archived. > >Negatives ? Well, a few spammers and idiots ... but most news software has >excellent filters, so that's taken care of. :) > > >For myself, I will never use a browser to read news or "forums". It's too >slow, too clunky and cumbersome, has bad to non existent threading, bad to >no filters and is ugly, to name a few reasons. > >I guess there will be a few die hards <puts up hand> that stick with MS news >groups, for a while at least, and it is likely there will still be some >traffic for a while with a few people willing and able to help ... but it >sounds like MS is trying to kill off this helpful support line. > >Given it's free to them, I can't imagine why they think this is a good idea. > > > As just a user and occasional contributor, I concur with Bruce's analysis. I went and tried the web interface last night (as I have for other forums in the past), and found it much more difficult to use than the newsgroups. It crashed a few times (page not accessible errors). I have better things to do with my time, so when these newsgroups stop functioning, I will cut down my participation significantly. --ron |