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From: Bob Phillips on 6 May 2010 07:29 "Peter T" <peter_t(a)discussions> wrote in message news:OmVS48P7KHA.5708(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > Maybe in the end it wasn't helpful, your response back was the only rude > reply I have ever had in these newsgroups. Perhaps it's just a way you > have! Blimey, you have led a sheltered life <g>
From: Bob Phillips on 6 May 2010 07:34 That is a shame Ron, I have enjoyed your contributions. But MS don't care, there will always be hundreds stepping up even if they aren't up to your capabilities, and they have shown a blind indifference to those more capable users amongst us. Bob "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld(a)nospam.org> wrote in message news:h675u5hkoln9bpleuq3cknc24p0hiqqg5q(a)4ax.com... > On Wed, 05 May 2010 23:26:01 GMT, > bruce.sinclair(a)NOSPAMORELSEagresearch.NOTco.NOTnz (Bruce Sinclair) wrote: > >>In article <#WL3lhA7KHA.3184(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, "T. Valko" >><biffinpitt(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>I didn't go to this link to read about the replacement forum: >>> >>>http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >>> >>>So I have no idea if that link mentions the location of the new forums. >>> >>>The new Excel forums are located at: >>> >>>http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx >>> >>>I've started posting there. The UI is completely different but it's still >>>a >>>web based forum! >> >>This is a backward step IMO. To me, newsgroups have everything that is >>good >>with nothing (well, OK, very little :) ) that is bad about the on line >>community. A short list of these would include: >> >>Quick and easy. >>Simple disply. >>Can get headers only and download just what you want to read. >>Properly threaded discussions. >>Access to hundreds/thousands of helpful knowlegeable people not only >>willing >>but eager to help. >>Text only (ie *not* web based). >>Many news readers available ... there's is bound to be something out >>there >>to suit everyone. >>Archived. >> >>Negatives ? Well, a few spammers and idiots ... but most news software has >>excellent filters, so that's taken care of. :) >> >> >>For myself, I will never use a browser to read news or "forums". It's too >>slow, too clunky and cumbersome, has bad to non existent threading, bad to >>no filters and is ugly, to name a few reasons. >> >>I guess there will be a few die hards <puts up hand> that stick with MS >>news >>groups, for a while at least, and it is likely there will still be some >>traffic for a while with a few people willing and able to help ... but it >>sounds like MS is trying to kill off this helpful support line. >> >>Given it's free to them, I can't imagine why they think this is a good >>idea. >> >> >> > > As just a user and occasional contributor, I concur with Bruce's analysis. > I > went and tried the web interface last night (as I have for other forums in > the > past), and found it much more difficult to use than the newsgroups. It > crashed > a few times (page not accessible errors). > > I have better things to do with my time, so when these newsgroups stop > functioning, I will cut down my participation significantly. > --ron
From: Ron Rosenfeld on 6 May 2010 07:48 On Thu, 6 May 2010 12:34:41 +0100, "Bob Phillips" <bob.phillips(a)somewhere.com> wrote: >That is a shame Ron, I have enjoyed your contributions. But MS don't care, >there will always be hundreds stepping up even if they aren't up to your >capabilities, and they have shown a blind indifference to those more capable >users amongst us. > >Bob I will lose, also, by not participating. I did notice something called an NNTP Bridge. I haven't tried that access method yet. Maybe it'll be better than the Web UI. --ron
From: Bob Phillips on 6 May 2010 09:12 I have tried it, it is a tad slow, and you still have the odd groupings in Answers. -- HTH Bob "Ron Rosenfeld" <ronrosenfeld(a)nospam.org> wrote in message news:2pa5u550f4ck5p0enpm9kvi50vtuj1a2vc(a)4ax.com... > On Thu, 6 May 2010 12:34:41 +0100, "Bob Phillips" > <bob.phillips(a)somewhere.com> > wrote: > >>That is a shame Ron, I have enjoyed your contributions. But MS don't care, >>there will always be hundreds stepping up even if they aren't up to your >>capabilities, and they have shown a blind indifference to those more >>capable >>users amongst us. >> >>Bob > > I will lose, also, by not participating. I did notice something called an > NNTP > Bridge. I haven't tried that access method yet. Maybe it'll be better > than > the Web UI. > --ron
From: shakey on 6 May 2010 12:32
"Bob Phillips" <bob.phillips(a)somewhere.com> wrote in message news:eBuHz6O7KHA.5476(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > > "Jon Peltier" <jonNO(a)SPAMpeltiertech.com> wrote in message > news:u2JK1fM7KHA.4804(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> There are two problems with NNTP, from Microsoft's viewpoint: >> >> 1. It's old and unshiny. >> 2. It was not invented in Redmond. > > 3. They are not able to control it - now they decide what is THE right > answer > 4. It doesn't have the highly desirable points (now what can they possibly > be for) Three is the key. I think we will get steamrollered. SG |