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From: Jim Cone on 8 May 2010 14:43 My opinion is that it is the precursor to abandoning VBA. We can look forward to the release of VSTO.Not ("VerySlowToOperate.Not") to handle all Office programming needs. It will require the $499.00 Office upgrade and a 64 core 16 GHZ processor and Net.Framework 2.234 thru 19.432 installed on your machine. (The 1500 page manual sold separately). The upside is that it will be almost as fast as VBA. Happy Trails. -- Jim Cone Portland, Oregon USA "CLR" <croberts(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:eQRtZGt7KHA.4832(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... So what should an OP do if they want to post a question about Programming?......just post it anywhere and let MS sort it out? as in...... "Select the Best Forum Select the forum that most closely matches your topic. (Don't worry, if it's not the right one we'll move it for you.) " Does this mean MS will read EVERY post and place it where they think it should be, rather than where the OP posted it and will go to see if there are any replies. And don't forget, the "Notify me" feature has not worked for some time. I started using Excel several years ago, and have progressed to be the GOTO guy for Excel problems at the company I work for (over 1000 computers). I have responded to thousands of posts in the Excel Newsgroups, earned a Master MOUS certification on the side, and learned virtually everything I know by coming to the various Newsgroups, especially the Excel Programming Group. I have taught many others how to be better in excel and have written many many Application Programs in Excel for my Users. Virtually all of that use of Excel, by those dozens of folks, being a direct decendant of MY time on the Newsgroups. So not only did the Newsgroups help ME learn, that knowledge also rolled down hill to help many others. I am sad to see the loss of my source of learning, and my opportunity to assist others fade away. I agree with Jim Thomlinson who says...... > I like the way the news group works. It is simple and intuitive. The only > issues I have so far is that I don't want to lose the body of work that > exists in these forums. I often find myself searching for posts that I > read > long ago Vaya con Dios, Chuck, CABGx3 "Jim Thomlinson" <James_Thomlinson(a)owfg-Re-Move-This-.com> wrote in message news:7C967FD5-FA0F-424B-9AE1-4ECC86F068A6(a)microsoft.com... > To expand on what I said... > > I like the way the news group works. It is simple and intuitive. The only > issues I have so far is that I don't want to lose the body of work that > exists in these forums. I often find myself searching for posts that I > read > long ago. Secondly I am not sure that I like the new categories for XL. > Noteably the programming forum is gone. That being said the current > categories are not perfect either. > -- > HTH... > > Jim Thomlinson > > > "Jim Thomlinson" wrote: > >> I think I will try the new forum before I express an opinion on whether >> it is >> better or worse. Just my 2 cents. >> -- >> HTH... >> >> Jim Thomlinson >> >> >> "Joe User" wrote: >> >> > <nntp(a)microsoft.com> wrote: >> > > Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin >> > > progressively closing down the Microsoft public newsgroups >> > > to enrich conversations in the rapidly-growing forum >> > > platform. >> > >> > Translation: Microsoft will force people to use the web interface that >> > they >> > have maintained so poorly for years and that is the least reliable and >> > least >> > feature-rich interface for these "forums" that I am aware of. >> > >> > Confirmation of that fact comes from the official Microsoft Newsgroup >> > website http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx. >> > In >> > the Q&A there: >> > >> > "Q: Where can I access these forums from? >> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx" >> > >> > The only potentially good thing to come out of this.... >> > >> > "Q: What should newsgroup users prepare for that will be different? >> > [....] >> > Additionally, Microsoft newsgroups are not moderated, while the forums >> > will >> > be." >> > >> > But the operative word is "potentially". >> > >> > First, Microsoft has demonstrated complete ineptitude in managing >> > "forums". >> > Their tools do not work. MS does not respond to problem reports. In >> > fact, >> > they do not even provide an effective way to report problems with >> > "forums". >> > >> > Second, moderating a group is either highly labor-intensive or useless >> > (just >> > a pass-thru). >> > >> > But if the moderation is real (and effective), that will mean that >> > postings >> > will incur delays. >> > >> > Moreover, I have never heard of moderation done on a scale this large. >> > Consider the traffic in the m.p.excel newsgroups alone. Well, perhaps >> > Microsoft will depend on MVPs to be moderators. >> > >> > Oh well.... >> > >> > >> > ----- original message ----- >> > >> > <nntp(a)microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:O31y6i$6KHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> > > Date 5/4/2010 >> > > Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively >> > > closing >> > > down the Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations in the >> > > rapidly-growing forum platform. This decision is in response to >> > > worldwide >> > > market trends and evolving customer needs. >> > > >> > > Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort, >> > > consolidate community venues and make it easier for active >> > > contributors to >> > > retain their influence. Forums provide a healthy community >> > > environment >> > > with less spam and make answers easier to find by customers and >> > > search >> > > engines. Additionally, forums offer a better user and off-topic >> > > management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by >> > > facilitating discussions in a clean space. >> > > >> > > We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to >> > > the >> > > community. In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out >> > > tools and >> > > resources to minimize disruption to the community discussions. >> > > >> > > We are working diligently on providing additional resources and >> > > information in local languages later this week. In the meantime, >> > > please >> > > refer to the official Microsoft Newsgroup website >> > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >> > > concerning >> > > this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made available >> > > in >> > > additional languages in the next few days. >> > > >> > >> > . >> >
From: Simon Lloyd on 9 May 2010 01:46 Jim, does that mean i will have to DOWNGRADE my machine?, you would have thought by now they would have learnt to consult with the people that definitely don't matter when it comes to improving and progressing....US!!! They'll never learn, you just have to bend over, take it and then say thanks! J i m C o n e ; 7 1 9 8 5 7 W r o t e : > My opinion is that it is the precursor to abandoning VBA. We can look forward to the release of VSTO.Not ("VerySlowToOperate.Not") to handle all Office programming needs. It will require the $499.00 Office upgrade and a 64 core 16 GHZ processor and Net.Framework 2.234 thru 19.432 installed on your machine. (The 1500 page manual sold separately). The upside is that it will be almost as fast as VBA. Happy Trails. -- Jim Cone Portland, Oregon USA "CLR" <croberts(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message news:eQRtZGt7KHA.4832(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... So what should an OP do if they want to post a question about Programming?......just post it anywhere and let MS sort it out? as in...... "Select the Best Forum Select the forum that most closely matches your topic. (Don't worry, if it's not the right one we'll move it for you.) " Does this mean MS will read EVERY post and place it where they think it should be, rather than where the OP posted it and will go to see if there are any replies. And don't forget, the "Notify me" feature has not worked for some time. I started using Excel several years ago, and have progressed to be the GOTO guy for Excel problems at the company I work for (over 1000 computers). I have responded to thousands of posts in the Excel Newsgroups, earned a Master MOUS certification on the side, and learned virtually everything I know by coming to the various Newsgroups, especially the Excel Programming Group. I have taught many others how to be better in excel and have written many many Application Programs in Excel for my Users. Virtually all of that use of Excel, by those dozens of folks, being a direct decendant of MY time on the Newsgroups. So not only did the Newsgroups help ME learn, that knowledge also rolled down hill to help many others. I am sad to see the loss of my source of learning, and my opportunity to assist others fade away. I agree with Jim Thomlinson who says...... > I like the way the news group works. It is simple and intuitive. The only > issues I have so far is that I don't want to lose the body of work that > exists in these forums. I often find myself searching for posts that I > read > long ago Vaya con Dios, Chuck, CABGx3 "Jim Thomlinson" <James_Thomlinson(a)owfg-Re-Move-This-.com> wrote in message news:7C967FD5-FA0F-424B-9AE1-4ECC86F068A6(a)microsoft.com... > To expand on what I said... > > I like the way the news group works. It is simple and intuitive. The only > issues I have so far is that I don't want to lose the body of work that > exists in these forums. I often find myself searching for posts that I > read > long ago. Secondly I am not sure that I like the new categories for XL. > Noteably the programming forum is gone. That being said the current > categories are not perfect either. > -- > HTH... > > Jim Thomlinson > > > "Jim Thomlinson" wrote: > >> I think I will try the new forum before I express an opinion on whether >> it is >> better or worse. Just my 2 cents. >> -- >> HTH... >> >> Jim Thomlinson >> >> >> "Joe User" wrote: >> >> > <nntp(a)microsoft.com> wrote: >> > > Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin >> > > progressively closing down the Microsoft public newsgroups >> > > to enrich conversations in the rapidly-growing forum >> > > platform. >> > >> > Translation: Microsoft will force people to use the web interface that >> > they >> > have maintained so poorly for years and that is the least reliable and >> > least >> > feature-rich interface for these "forums" that I am aware of. >> > >> > Confirmation of that fact comes from the official Microsoft Newsgroup >> > website http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx. >> > In >> > the Q&A there: >> > >> > "Q: Where can I access these forums from? >> > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/forums/default.mspx" >> > >> > The only potentially good thing to come out of this.... >> > >> > "Q: What should newsgroup users prepare for that will be different? >> > [....] >> > Additionally, Microsoft newsgroups are not moderated, while the forums >> > will >> > be." >> > >> > But the operative word is "potentially". >> > >> > First, Microsoft has demonstrated complete ineptitude in managing >> > "forums". >> > Their tools do not work. MS does not respond to problem reports. In >> > fact, >> > they do not even provide an effective way to report problems with >> > "forums". >> > >> > Second, moderating a group is either highly labor-intensive or useless >> > (just >> > a pass-thru). >> > >> > But if the moderation is real (and effective), that will mean that >> > postings >> > will incur delays. >> > >> > Moreover, I have never heard of moderation done on a scale this large. >> > Consider the traffic in the m.p.excel newsgroups alone. Well, perhaps >> > Microsoft will depend on MVPs to be moderators. >> > >> > Oh well.... >> > >> > >> > ----- original message ----- >> > >> > <nntp(a)microsoft.com> wrote in message >> > news:O31y6i$6KHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> > > Date 5/4/2010 >> > > Starting in early summer 2010, Microsoft will begin progressively >> > > closing >> > > down the Microsoft public newsgroups to enrich conversations in the >> > > rapidly-growing forum platform. This decision is in response to >> > > worldwide >> > > market trends and evolving customer needs. >> > > >> > > Microsoft continues to invest in forums to reduce customer effort, >> > > consolidate community venues and make it easier for active >> > > contributors to >> > > retain their influence. Forums provide a healthy community >> > > environment >> > > with less spam and make answers easier to find by customers and >> > > search >> > > engines. Additionally, forums offer a better user and off-topic >> > > management platform that will improve customer satisfaction by >> > > facilitating discussions in a clean space. >> > > >> > > We understand that some newsgroups are still active, and important to >> > > the >> > > community. In the coming days and weeks, we will be rolling out >> > > tools and >> > > resources to minimize disruption to the community discussions. >> > > >> > > We are working diligently on providing additional resources and >> > > information in local languages later this week. In the meantime, >> > > please >> > > refer to the official Microsoft Newsgroup website >> > > http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >> > > concerning >> > > this issue. The Microsoft Newsgroup website will be made available >> > > in >> > > additional languages in the next few days. >> > > >> > >> > . >> > -- Simon Lloyd Regards, Simon Lloyd 'Microsoft Office Help' (http://www.thecodecage.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Simon Lloyd's Profile: http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz/member.php?u=1 View this thread: http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz/showthread.php?t=200597 http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz
From: Stan Brown on 9 May 2010 08:26 Thu, 06 May 2010 06:44:24 -0400 from Ron Rosenfeld <ronrosenfeld(a)nospam.org>: > I have better things to do with my time, so when these newsgroups stop > functioning, I will cut down my participation significantly. Why do you think these newsgroups will stop functioning? It's in the nature of Usenet that a newsgroup, once created, has a life of its own. Sure, Microsoft won't be driving new traffic here, but that doesn't stop the rest of us from continuing to read and post. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA http://OakRoadSystems.com Shikata ga nai...
From: Simon Lloyd on 9 May 2010 10:40 Nice thought but i was under the impression that these newsgroups will be closed once the forums are settled. If they're still going to be running then happy days :) S t a n B r o w n ; 7 2 0 0 1 7 W r o t e : > Thu, 06 May 2010 06:44:24 -0400 from Ron Rosenfeld <ronrosenfeld(a)nospam.org>: > I have better things to do with my time, so when these newsgroups stop > functioning, I will cut down my participation significantly. Why do you think these newsgroups will stop functioning? It's in the nature of Usenet that a newsgroup, once created, has a life of its own. Sure, Microsoft won't be driving new traffic here, but that doesn't stop the rest of us from continuing to read and post. -- Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA 'Oak Road Systems -- Software Since 1984' (http://OakRoadSystems.com) Shikata ga nai... -- Simon Lloyd Regards, Simon Lloyd 'Microsoft Office Help' (http://www.thecodecage.com) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Simon Lloyd's Profile: http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz/member.php?u=1 View this thread: http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz/showthread.php?t=200597 http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz
From: Bob Phillips on 9 May 2010 13:36
There is no reason that they will go away, but the msnews.microsoft.com server definitely will, so if you use that server you need to find another. If your forum links to the NGS, it will depende on how you get/send the data and from/to where. Bob "Simon Lloyd" <Simon.Lloyd.4ap8gp(a)thecodecage.com> wrote in message news:Simon.Lloyd.4ap8gp(a)thecodecage.com... > > Nice thought but i was under the impression that these newsgroups will > be closed once the forums are settled. If they're still going to be > running then happy days :) > > > Stan Brown;720017 Wrote: >> > Thu, 06 May 2010 06:44:24 -0400 from Ron Rosenfeld > <ronrosenfeld(a)nospam.org>: >> I have better things to do with my time, so when these newsgroups > stop >> functioning, I will cut down my participation significantly. > > Why do you think these newsgroups will stop functioning? It's in the > nature of Usenet that a newsgroup, once created, has a life of its > own. Sure, Microsoft won't be driving new traffic here, but that > doesn't stop the rest of us from continuing to read and post. > > > -- > Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Tompkins County, New York, USA > 'Oak Road Systems -- Software Since 1984' (http://OakRoadSystems.com) > Shikata ga nai... > > > -- > Simon Lloyd > > Regards, > Simon Lloyd > 'Microsoft Office Help' (http://www.thecodecage.com) > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Simon Lloyd's Profile: http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz/member.php?u=1 > View this thread: > http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz/showthread.php?t=200597 > > http://www.thecodecage.com/forumz > |