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From: Peter on 13 Feb 2010 09:28 "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message news:4b7620c0$0$1589$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > >>>>You know, I don't know where people get this caricature of Bill Gates >>>>being a greedy, selfish moneybags. >>> >>> To some degree nearly every corporate CEO is a greedy, selfish >>> moneybag. It's nearly a job requirement. >> >>You obviously refuse to recognize the responsibility of a CEO, regardless >>of >>the size of the corporation. > > Correct. > >> When you open up in the morning and realize >>that x number of people are looking to you for guidance and depend on your >>skills to prevent starvation, or to promote a reasonable life style, you >>should recognize that you have an awesome responsibility. Sure, some are >>greedy turds, but they are in the minority. > > I have seen far too many CEO's laying off $60,000/yr workers so that > they can continue to take home $20,000,000/yr. To think that a > typical CEO has the interests of employees as a priority is naive. > If they cared about employees or the company then they'd be getting > $1,000,000/yr and using the extra money to keep 200 employees producing > products to sell. Your comments make it obvious that you know absolutely nothing about business. A good CEO holds the interests the company first. In a public company, he is accountable to the board, who represents the interests of the owners. To maintain and grow a healthy company. A good manager recognizes that the workers are the lifeblood of the company. In the example you gave, we really don't know if the employee was a slacker, or redundant. I don't know if you have ever had to let someone go. I have, and will tell you it's not an easy thing to do. But, you seem to think that a company is some sort of magic fountain that simply produces money to allow workers to show up and get paid, regardless of their contribution to the company, or lack thereof. A good CEO is paid because he produces value to the company. If he is not adequately paid, he goes elsewhere. If he does not produce value to the company, he goes elsewhere, for a different reason. -- Peter
From: Peter on 13 Feb 2010 09:31 "Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message news:4b762132$0$1589$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... > Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >>"Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message >>news:hl3i1v$egi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>> news:e639n5l1ojhndtjn77g7nu75vhljjuj5n5(a)4ax.com... >>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:32:37 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>>> >>>>>"tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>news:i2b8n59tp15ch64gtu0gdt2q5l7vv8huip(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:28:54 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>>>>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>Sounds like you are confusing her with Obama. He never had to make a >>>>>>>hard >>>>>>>decision in any facet of his career before becoming president. At >>>>>>>least >>>>>>>Palin has experience running something. >>>>>> >>>>>> Running away from running something is a better description. With >>>>>> Palin as President, she'd lose interest in the job if things didn't >>>>>> go her way and find some other bright and shiny object to play with. >>>>>> >>>>>> To me, she's like the Bearded Lady in the carnival sideshow...people >>>>>> will pay to see her, but nobody wants to take her home. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>> >>>>>She may not be the best choice and is certainly not my first or even >>>>>second >>>>>but if it is between her and Obama, there is no contest. I'll take her >>>>>in >>>>>an instant over Obama. >>>>> >>>> It seems to me that one of the biggest hurdles any modern-day >>>> President has is to effectively work with Congress by retaining the >>>> support of his/her own party members and securing at least some >>>> support of the opposing party's members. >>>> >>>> Obama has not been particularly effective in this, but Palin would not >>>> be at all effective in this. IMO. >>>> -- >>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>> >>> It's the policy differences that matter more to me. The differences >>> between Palin and Obama are like night and day. >>> >>That's exactly right. Obama makes a very creditable president, and Palin >>would not. But Obama is a liberal Democrat, which is my worst nightmare, >>and >>Palin is a conservative Republican which is the closest thing to a perfect >>leader I can imagine, so I would vote for her in a New York minute. > > A "conservative" republican who was governer of a state that relies > quite heavily on federal money. > > Anyone who would vote for Palin is an idiot. We agree on something. Remember Bill votes his for pocketbook, not humanity. -- Peter
From: Peter on 13 Feb 2010 09:33 "Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message news:2010021220360571490-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... > On 2010-02-12 19:49:06 -0800, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: > >> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>> >>> "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message >>> news:hl3i1v$egi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>> news:e639n5l1ojhndtjn77g7nu75vhljjuj5n5(a)4ax.com... >>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:32:37 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>>>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>> news:i2b8n59tp15ch64gtu0gdt2q5l7vv8huip(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:28:54 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>>>>>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sounds like you are confusing her with Obama. He never had to make >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>> decision in any facet of his career before becoming president. At >>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>> Palin has experience running something. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Running away from running something is a better description. With >>>>>>> Palin as President, she'd lose interest in the job if things didn't >>>>>>> go her way and find some other bright and shiny object to play with. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To me, she's like the Bearded Lady in the carnival sideshow...people >>>>>>> will pay to see her, but nobody wants to take her home. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>>> >>>>>> She may not be the best choice and is certainly not my first or even >>>>>> second >>>>>> but if it is between her and Obama, there is no contest. I'll take >>>>>> her >>>>>> in >>>>>> an instant over Obama. >>>>>> >>>>> It seems to me that one of the biggest hurdles any modern-day >>>>> President has is to effectively work with Congress by retaining the >>>>> support of his/her own party members and securing at least some >>>>> support of the opposing party's members. >>>>> >>>>> Obama has not been particularly effective in this, but Palin would not >>>>> be at all effective in this. IMO. >>>>> -- >>>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>> >>>> It's the policy differences that matter more to me. The differences >>>> between Palin and Obama are like night and day. >>>> >>> That's exactly right. Obama makes a very creditable president, and Palin >>> would not. But Obama is a liberal Democrat, which is my worst nightmare, >>> and >>> Palin is a conservative Republican which is the closest thing to a >>> perfect >>> leader I can imagine, so I would vote for her in a New York minute. >> >> A "conservative" republican who was governer of a state that relies >> quite heavily on federal money. >> >> Anyone who would vote for Palin is an idiot. > > Well, we have identified at least 2, maybe 3 in this thread. > I would settle for 2,000 nationwide. Sadly, there are many who take oratory over substance -- Peter
From: Ray Fischer on 13 Feb 2010 14:46 Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >> Peter <peternew(a)nospamoptonline.net> wrote: >>>"Ray Fischer" <rfischer(a)sonic.net> wrote in message >>>>C J Campbell <christophercampbellremovethis(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>You know, I don't know where people get this caricature of Bill Gates >>>>>being a greedy, selfish moneybags. >>>> >>>> To some degree nearly every corporate CEO is a greedy, selfish >>>> moneybag. It's nearly a job requirement. >>> >>>You obviously refuse to recognize the responsibility of a CEO, regardless >>>of >>>the size of the corporation. >> >> Correct. >> >>> When you open up in the morning and realize >>>that x number of people are looking to you for guidance and depend on your >>>skills to prevent starvation, or to promote a reasonable life style, you >>>should recognize that you have an awesome responsibility. Sure, some are >>>greedy turds, but they are in the minority. >> >> I have seen far too many CEO's laying off $60,000/yr workers so that >> they can continue to take home $20,000,000/yr. To think that a >> typical CEO has the interests of employees as a priority is naive. >> If they cared about employees or the company then they'd be getting >> $1,000,000/yr and using the extra money to keep 200 employees producing >> products to sell. > >Your comments make it obvious that you know absolutely nothing about >business. A good CEO holds the interests the company first. LOL! Is that what they tell you? > In a public >company, he is accountable to the board, who represents the interests of the >owners. ROFL! The board represent the shareholders?!? And you really believe that? When was the last time a board member got fired by the shareholders? When was the last time shareholders picked a board member? Or CEO? > To maintain and grow a healthy company. A good manager recognizes >that the workers are the lifeblood of the company. If any of your beliefs were true then we wouldn't see corporations spending so much to hire and train workers only to fire them a few years later and then repeat the process again. Sure, there are some good CEOs, but there aren't many. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net
From: Ray Fischer on 13 Feb 2010 14:47
Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >"Savageduck" <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote in message >news:2010021220360571490-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom... >> On 2010-02-12 19:49:06 -0800, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) said: >> >>> Bill Graham <weg9(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> "Pete Stavrakoglou" <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote in message >>>> news:hl3i1v$egi$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >>>>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>> news:e639n5l1ojhndtjn77g7nu75vhljjuj5n5(a)4ax.com... >>>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 15:32:37 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>>>>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> "tony cooper" <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:i2b8n59tp15ch64gtu0gdt2q5l7vv8huip(a)4ax.com... >>>>>>>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:28:54 -0500, "Pete Stavrakoglou" >>>>>>>> <ntotrr(a)optonline.net> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sounds like you are confusing her with Obama. He never had to make >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>>> decision in any facet of his career before becoming president. At >>>>>>>>> least >>>>>>>>> Palin has experience running something. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Running away from running something is a better description. With >>>>>>>> Palin as President, she'd lose interest in the job if things didn't >>>>>>>> go her way and find some other bright and shiny object to play with. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To me, she's like the Bearded Lady in the carnival sideshow...people >>>>>>>> will pay to see her, but nobody wants to take her home. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>>>> >>>>>>> She may not be the best choice and is certainly not my first or even >>>>>>> second >>>>>>> but if it is between her and Obama, there is no contest. I'll take >>>>>>> her >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> an instant over Obama. >>>>>>> >>>>>> It seems to me that one of the biggest hurdles any modern-day >>>>>> President has is to effectively work with Congress by retaining the >>>>>> support of his/her own party members and securing at least some >>>>>> support of the opposing party's members. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obama has not been particularly effective in this, but Palin would not >>>>>> be at all effective in this. IMO. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida >>>>> >>>>> It's the policy differences that matter more to me. The differences >>>>> between Palin and Obama are like night and day. >>>>> >>>> That's exactly right. Obama makes a very creditable president, and Palin >>>> would not. But Obama is a liberal Democrat, which is my worst nightmare, >>>> and >>>> Palin is a conservative Republican which is the closest thing to a >>>> perfect >>>> leader I can imagine, so I would vote for her in a New York minute. >>> >>> A "conservative" republican who was governer of a state that relies >>> quite heavily on federal money. >>> >>> Anyone who would vote for Palin is an idiot. >> >> Well, we have identified at least 2, maybe 3 in this thread. >> >Ah.....The latest definition of, "idiot". - Anyone who votes for a >president who was the former governor of a state that got a lot of money >from the federal government.........Huh? Nobody wrote that and lying only makes you look like a bigot. -- Ray Fischer rfischer(a)sonic.net |