From: nospam on
In article <82f59$4b843a35$546accd9$23370(a)>,
Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap(a)> wrote:

> In which way do you find support for GIMP lacking?

you said it yourself, no books, no support forums, no tutorials, etc.
From: Savageduck on
On 2010-02-23 12:17:33 -0800, Robert Spanjaard <spamtrap(a)> said:

> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:01:25 -0800, John McWilliams wrote:
>>>> If you insist on a pissing contest: two people suggest PSE (you and
>>>> John), four people suggest GIMP (Better Info, ray, Bruce and Ofnuts).
>>>> I'd suggest GIMP too, so that's five.
>>> here's another one for photoshop elements.
>> And only one suggesting da Gimp is a real person. The rest are anonymous
>> handles, some of which shift daily.
> Really? Which ones are the 'anonymous handles', and which ones (plural!)
> shift daily?
> How does one need to post to be a 'real person' in your book?

Well, there is nothing wrong with the use of a "nym" in the newsgroups.
However some of us are consistent with nym use (Ofnuts & myself for
example), and then there is the nym shifting P&S troll, using his
"Better Info" handle. He has as much of an anti-PS agenda, as he is

....and I do not disagree with the GIMP suggestion completely, I just
feel PS Elements is the better choice for a novice who might be better
served with the support available to Elements.

For John, consider that just because a handle or nym appears to to be a
standard name, "Fred Jones" for example, in this arena it is no more
valid than "John McWilliams" , "Robert Spanjaard", "Chris Hills" or



From: Alan Lichtenstein on
nospam wrote:

> In article <4b843709$0$22523$607ed4bc(a)>, Alan Lichtenstein
> <arl(a)> wrote:
>>You would not recommend, lightroom or aperture? They're a bit more
>>expensive, but is it worth the difference at this point?
> that depends what you need to do. lightroom & aperture combine asset
> management with most of the adjustments people need to do, as well as
> generate web sites, books, etc. while photoshop can do pretty much any
> image editing you could ever want, but not so much on the other
> features.

I would prefer a better asset management program than what I have. I
also understand that both of these programs have a rudimentary ability
to deal with HDR, which intrigues me, despite the fact that my learning
curve at this time does not permit me take advantage of that. Perhaps

since in my case, the increased expense is not a problem, would you
recommend either of those programs or elements? I would prefer not to
purchase something only to have to make frequent upgrades. While I
understand that upgrading is part of the process, if one could be
eliminated early on, it would be preferable.

Could I manage either of those programs in a learning curve?

Your opinion.
From: Robert Spanjaard on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:37:05 -0500, nospam wrote:

>> In which way do you find support for GIMP lacking?
> you said it yourself, no books, no support forums, no tutorials, etc.

Where did I say that, liar?

Regards, Robert
From: ray on
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 14:46:27 -0500, Alan Lichtenstein wrote:

> Robert Spanjaard wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 15:53:00 +0000, Chris H wrote:
>>>>Any of the freeware image editors, GIMP (considered the free equal to
>>>>PhotoSlop in the right hands)
>>>Only by those who are delusional... before you as I have used GIMP it
>>>is on this PC.
>>>>If you eventually want to step up to the oft (wrongly) praised
>>>OK so all the worlds leading photographers and graphics designers are
>>>Snipped the rest of the religious rant.......
>> Speaking about religious...
>> Look at the way you respond to people advising GIMP.
>> Alan, skip the religious rants and give GIMP a try, considering the
>> amount of people advising it. You'll never lose more than a bit of your
>> time.
> I'm reading all the replies and based on all the replies in this thread,
> I fear I may not have given sufficient information.
> I'm pretty much a rank amateur. Based on a lot of technical points many
> of the replies contain, they're over my head at this point, in that they
> require a level of experience and expertise which I don't have at this
> point, although, with time, I hope I may acquire, although I understand
> the terms.
> I have iPhoto on my computer, and it does OK, but I'm looking for
> something that does a bit more processing than what I already have. My
> skill level requires me to either have someone to show it to me, or a
> book to make reference to. Maybe I'm too much of a newbie, but I'd like
> to become at least an amateur. Already I see I know more about digital
> photography, even though that isn't really much beyond the rank basics,
> than most people I meet who have dSLR's.
> My camera store doesn't sell software( would you believe it ), so the
> advice I get from the people there is personal, without a profit motive.
> Also, although I'm looking to upgrade my camera now, the one they sold
> me three years ago, when I knew absolutely nothing about digital
> photography was indeed the correct one, in consideration of what I told
> them at the time. So I trust the people there. And they'll be
> competitive with price.
> Based on the discussion so far, I feel that something like GIMP may not
> be good for me, based on my needs and the lack of support. But I thank
> everyone who recommended it anyway. I don't mind spending a few
> dollars, although Photoshop CS3 or 4 IS a bit much right now.
> Hope this clarifies a bit.

For the record, there is no 'lack of support' for GIMP. See, e.g.
Grokking the Gimp - an online tutorial or Beginning GIMP - an outstanding
beginners reference book - readily available.