From: rpl on 3 May 2005 13:03
Sander Vesik wrote:
> In comp.arch Marco S Hyman <marc(a)snafu.org> wrote:
>>It wasn't that long ago when it was not uncommon for children from about
>>10 years old and up to bring weapons to school, rifles shotguns that were
>>stored in the school gun rack or cloak room during school hours. The
> I'm really glad I never have lived and am never going to live anywhere
> where such could happen, never mind be considered the norm.
why? As explained in the portion you snipped out, those were tools the
kids were going to use to bring home supper for the family.
And they were checked at the door, not carried on school grounds.
From: rpl on 3 May 2005 13:14
> Nope. Anybody who debugs hard/software uses this rigor. Think
> about it. Isolating the symptom is really based on making an
> assumptions, demonstrating their validity, and slowly eliminating
> facts that don't matter or interfere with exercising the "proof".
That's as close to a formal definition of debugging I've ever heard.
> Practical applications: Fixing the damned bugs.
though I think that the "fixin'" part should be the job of the original
writer, so it doesn't reoccur.
> Subtract a hundred and four for e-mail.
From: K Williams on 3 May 2005 13:16
In article <t_GdnajMPtj1M-rfRVn-2Q(a)rogers.com>,
> Sander Vesik wrote:
> > In comp.arch Marco S Hyman <marc(a)snafu.org> wrote:
> >>It wasn't that long ago when it was not uncommon for children from about
> >>10 years old and up to bring weapons to school, rifles shotguns that were
> >>stored in the school gun rack or cloak room during school hours. The
> > I'm really glad I never have lived and am never going to live anywhere
> > where such could happen, never mind be considered the norm.
> why? As explained in the portion you snipped out, those were tools the
> kids were going to use to bring home supper for the family.
I know people who brought rifles to school in Ney York City. They were
on the shooting team. Go figure that these days!
> And they were checked at the door, not carried on school grounds.
These were locked up in the gym with the shooting coach, but same
difference. Others that grew up here in VT kept their guns in their
cars and hunted before and after school. It wasn't all that long ago.
From: Charlie Gibbs on 3 May 2005 13:35
In article <l4-dnSlZ2LV7MOvfRVn-3g(a)rogers.com>,
plinnane3REMOVE(a)NOSPAMyahoo.com (rpl) writes:
> Kevin G. Rhoads wrote:
>> I think it is much worse than that. Public schools these days
>> are not just failing to help solve the problem, they are active
>> contributing to it. (One example: "zero tolerance")
> zero tolerance of what? bringing fully automatic weapons onto school
> grounds ?
Dammit, let's take our language back. "Zero tolerance" is one
of those phrases made up by people who are trying to look tough
while remaining Politically Correct. Let's call it what it is -
intolerance - and then acknowledge that intolerance isn't automatically
a Bad Thing. Maybe then we stand a chance of getting rid of truly
harmful intolerance, while refusing to tolerate things which really
are bad. Or, as the saying goes, "You should have an open mind -
but not so open that your brains fall out."
Assigning different labels to the same thing is another example of
the bullshit that kids quickly see through. The War On (some) Drugs
is another example.
And politicians wonder why they get less respect than Rodney
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From: Bill Leary on 3 May 2005 19:27
"Derek Lyons" <fairwater(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
> "Bill Leary" <Bill_Leary(a)msn.com> wrote:
> >> It sounds like you have
> >> done your children a great disservice.
> >Maybe not. Upon graduation from "normal" high school, none
> >of my kids could do anything past basic math. And only one of
> >them reads well.
> So where were you during the 12 years prior?
That's what they accomplished WITH a lot of help from me.
And most of that was accomplished after we finally got them into specialized
courses the last couple of years of school.