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From: Arny Krueger on 18 Jun 2008 12:04 "Mike Dobony" <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message news:11a8e1em448nn$.7gkgli10vy5f.dlg(a)40tude.net > On 18 Jun 2008 09:25:17 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote: > >> Mike Dobony <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote: >>> >>> Why do you call them a dweeb? A speaker who stays in >>> one spot is a poor speaker. The best speakers are >>> those who are involved with the audience and >>> intersperse in the crowd. They draw the audience in by >>> going to the audience. This involves going in front of >>> speakers. You are way to biased towards music. Public >>> speaking has a whole new set of rules. This is a greta >>> application for the FBD. >> >> Because rule number one is that you NEVER walk in front >> of the speakers. If you want to move around and get with >> the audience, that's fine. But there are places where >> you don't go, and one of them is in front of the >> speakers. And if you DO go there, and it DOES feedback, >> you shouldn't be surprised and start glaring at the PA >> operator. --scott > > Okay, how do you get to the audience without occasionally > getting in front of the speakers? Stay behind the speakers. Most serious venues are designed so that the loudpeakers are always in front of the performers.
From: Richard Crowley on 18 Jun 2008 12:12 "Arny Krueger" wrote ... > "Mike Dobony" wrote >> Scott Dorsey wrote: >>> Mike Dobony wrote: >>>> Why do you call them a dweeb? A speaker who stays in >>>> one spot is a poor speaker. The best speakers are >>>> those who are involved with the audience and >>>> intersperse in the crowd. They draw the audience in by >>>> going to the audience. This involves going in front of >>>> speakers. You are way to biased towards music. Public >>>> speaking has a whole new set of rules. This is a greta >>>> application for the FBD. >>> >>> Because rule number one is that you NEVER walk in front >>> of the speakers. If you want to move around and get with >>> the audience, that's fine. But there are places where >>> you don't go, and one of them is in front of the >>> speakers. And if you DO go there, and it DOES feedback, >>> you shouldn't be surprised and start glaring at the PA >>> operator. --scott >> >> Okay, how do you get to the audience without occasionally >> getting in front of the speakers? > > Stay behind the speakers. Most serious venues are designed so that the > loudpeakers are always in front of the performers. Or use a headset mic close to the mouth so you can increase the gain before feedback. And be sure to be speaking in a space with good acoustics so the reinforcement system doesn't have to work so hard.
From: Mike Dobony on 18 Jun 2008 13:57 On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 12:04:15 -0400, Arny Krueger wrote: > "Mike Dobony" <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message > news:11a8e1em448nn$.7gkgli10vy5f.dlg(a)40tude.net >> On 18 Jun 2008 09:25:17 -0400, Scott Dorsey wrote: >> >>> Mike Dobony <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Why do you call them a dweeb? A speaker who stays in >>>> one spot is a poor speaker. The best speakers are >>>> those who are involved with the audience and >>>> intersperse in the crowd. They draw the audience in by >>>> going to the audience. This involves going in front of >>>> speakers. You are way to biased towards music. Public >>>> speaking has a whole new set of rules. This is a greta >>>> application for the FBD. >>> >>> Because rule number one is that you NEVER walk in front >>> of the speakers. If you want to move around and get with >>> the audience, that's fine. But there are places where >>> you don't go, and one of them is in front of the >>> speakers. And if you DO go there, and it DOES feedback, >>> you shouldn't be surprised and start glaring at the PA >>> operator. --scott >> >> Okay, how do you get to the audience without occasionally >> getting in front of the speakers? > > Stay behind the speakers. Most serious venues are designed so that the > loudpeakers are always in front of the performers. These are NOT performers, but teachers. Sticking to "serious venues" is not an option.
From: Mike Dobony on 18 Jun 2008 13:59 On Wed, 18 Jun 2008 09:12:36 -0700, Richard Crowley wrote: > "Arny Krueger" wrote ... >> "Mike Dobony" wrote >>> Scott Dorsey wrote: >>>> Mike Dobony wrote: >>>>> Why do you call them a dweeb? A speaker who stays in >>>>> one spot is a poor speaker. The best speakers are >>>>> those who are involved with the audience and >>>>> intersperse in the crowd. They draw the audience in by >>>>> going to the audience. This involves going in front of >>>>> speakers. You are way to biased towards music. Public >>>>> speaking has a whole new set of rules. This is a greta >>>>> application for the FBD. >>>> >>>> Because rule number one is that you NEVER walk in front >>>> of the speakers. If you want to move around and get with >>>> the audience, that's fine. But there are places where >>>> you don't go, and one of them is in front of the >>>> speakers. And if you DO go there, and it DOES feedback, >>>> you shouldn't be surprised and start glaring at the PA >>>> operator. --scott >>> >>> Okay, how do you get to the audience without occasionally >>> getting in front of the speakers? >> >> Stay behind the speakers. Most serious venues are designed so that the >> loudpeakers are always in front of the performers. > > Or use a headset mic close to the mouth so you can increase > the gain before feedback. And be sure to be speaking in a > space with good acoustics so the reinforcement system doesn't > have to work so hard. Being that selective is stupid for both performers and speakers, especially those with life-altering or life-protecting messages.
From: Arny Krueger on 18 Jun 2008 14:07
"Mike Dobony" <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message news:kckx95e5pmi2$.1vh3gvjoi5v8c.dlg(a)40tude.net >>> Okay, how do you get to the audience without >>> occasionally getting in front of the speakers? >> Stay behind the speakers. Most serious venues are >> designed so that the loudpeakers are always in front of >> the performers. > These are NOT performers, but teachers. So what? The laws of acoustics apply equally to both. > Sticking to "serious venues" is not an option. Putting the speakers so that acoustic feedback is hard to avoid is not wise. The advice to use headset mics is IME, good advice. But it isn't a panacea. |