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From: Mayayana on 4 May 2010 23:23 : Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities : http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx That article seems to imply there will be an alternative. Would they really devote resources to moving this group? > I think the migration is only for "supported" products. For some time now Microsoft has been pushing people in the .Net group to move over to the web forums. But there isn't a VB group there. Even if there were, web forums are difficult to use and difficult to read. Web pages are just not a good medium for discussion. And then of course there's the MS moderation problem. Moderation would be bad enough, but from what I've seen it looks like most things Microsoft: one part tech and 2 parts sales. I wonder about all of the parasite "forums" that repost NNTP posts as their own. They won't have any more content. I'll also miss a number of other groups. I've been subscribed to vbscript, msi, wmi, and shell. I don't actually subscribe to any non-MS groups at present. And I don't actually know anyone who cares at all about how PCs work. These groups are my only contact with other people doing programming, scripting, etc. I guess that if the lights go out here I'll go over to comp.lang.basic.visual.misc and see if anyone shows up.
From: MM on 5 May 2010 01:31 On Wed, 5 May 2010 00:03:00 +0100, "Mike Williams" <Mike(a)WhiskeyAndCoke.com> wrote: >"Bob Butler" <noway(a)nospam.ever> wrote in message >news:uMrJxi96KHA.2220(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities >>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >> >> I like "make it easier for contributors to retain their influence" and >> 'Perhaps most appealing is the notion that "we own the app"'. Any decent >> real-VB-only alternatives? > >The comp.lang.basic.visual.misc group used to be very busy up until two or >three years ago. I still check that group every day, but it doesn't get much >traffic these days. It will probably start to get busy again soon if the >Micro$oft control freaks go ahead with their plans to ditch this group. And anyway, can't anyone just start up a new group? I've never done it, but new groups are appearing all the time, so it can't be all that difficult to do. In a way, I'd prefer to be independent of Microsoft, since we know they cannot be trusted since the VB fiasco. MM
From: MM on 5 May 2010 01:34 On Wed, 5 May 2010 00:03:00 +0100, "Mike Williams" <Mike(a)WhiskeyAndCoke.com> wrote: >"Bob Butler" <noway(a)nospam.ever> wrote in message >news:uMrJxi96KHA.2220(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > >>> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities >>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >> >> I like "make it easier for contributors to retain their influence" and >> 'Perhaps most appealing is the notion that "we own the app"'. Any decent >> real-VB-only alternatives? > >The comp.lang.basic.visual.misc group used to be very busy up until two or >three years ago. I still check that group every day, but it doesn't get much >traffic these days. It will probably start to get busy again soon if the >Micro$oft control freaks go ahead with their plans to ditch this group. Another point I forgot to include: What about archiving this and similar groups? For instance, I save XNews headers and have written a little VB prog to convert them into an Access database. These are only the headers, not the bodies, of course. Perhaps someone could archive the bodies as well? Who knows how much disk space would be needed (as an estimate) to archive just this group? And finally, is there not already a Wayback Machine for Usenet? MM
From: MM on 5 May 2010 01:51 On Wed, 5 May 2010 01:21:07 +0200, "Henning" <computer_hero(a)coldmail.com> wrote: > >"Mike Williams" <Mike(a)WhiskeyAndCoke.com> skrev i meddelandet >news:uhqXz396KHA.2160(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "Bob Butler" <noway(a)nospam.ever> wrote in message >> news:uMrJxi96KHA.2220(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >>>> Microsoft Responds to the Evolution of Communities >>>> http://www.microsoft.com/communities/newsgroups/default.mspx >>> >>> I like "make it easier for contributors to retain their influence" and >>> 'Perhaps most appealing is the notion that "we own the app"'. Any decent >>> real-VB-only alternatives? >> >> The comp.lang.basic.visual.misc group used to be very busy up until two or >> three years ago. I still check that group every day, but it doesn't get >> much traffic these days. It will probably start to get busy again soon if >> the Micro$oft control freaks go ahead with their plans to ditch this >> group. >> >> Mike >> >> > >Moving to c.l.b.v.m will be easy, but what happens to all older posts in >this group? Will they still be available on some mirrors? Well, I've just fired up XNews and this group m.p.v.g.d contains 34,406 headers. It looks like the earliest date on Astraweb is 10 Sep 2008, so it wouldn't be possible to go back farther. Right, since I wrote that, I've downloaded all 34,406 headers and saved the header file, which is a little over 10mb. I'm now downloading ALL the bodies just to see how much data we're talking about here. (So far I'm at message #1942 and the download folder contains 4.1mb. Because of the limitation in Windows 98 on the number of files per folder I'll start a new folder at #5000, #10000 etc.) MM
From: Nobody on 5 May 2010 03:10
"Mayayana" <mayayana(a)invalid.nospam> wrote in message news:u$eoUIA7KHA.5848(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > I wonder about all of the parasite "forums" that repost > NNTP posts as their own. They won't have any more > content. I'd like to see some other archive site other than Google, just in case they require registration or ID verification just to search their archive at a future point. |