From: NoEinstein on
On May 4, 8:50 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> no-one is without bias; why do you say,
> that you are without bias?
>
Dear spudnik: People with bias (the second worst trait after
dishonesty) compensate by being unfair. They see things only in ways
that benefit them or their group. Since I've sought the truth, rather
than ego boosts, I have no need to be unfair in my representation of
how nature works. — NoEinstein —
>
> "rubber rulers" is just a simple thing:
> if matter is ultimately made of energy, then
> its internal workings can go no faster than light;
> so, what happens if the matter "approaches"
> that ultimate speed?...  anyway,
> the Michelson-Morley results were never "nil,"
> and their results have been refined by others.
> (would you like a reference?)
>
> > Whatever the truth is, PD contorts it.  "Rubber Rulers" has no
> > supporting experiment!  Lorentz, the imbecile, used RR to 'explain'
> > the nil results of M-M.
>
> thus:
> why should such analogy be used
> to insinuate that the redshift is dopplerian --
> is there really a perfect vacuum,
> for lightwaves not to propogate in?
>
> was Hubble hounded into this interpretation, or
> was he such a self-promoter that he just said,
> Surely!
>
> > >     1) Draw spots on a rubber balloon and inflate.
>
> thus:
> what glaciers really do,
> while gently flowing out to sea in a dynamic stasis (well,
> on Antarctica and Greenland), is that
> the boulders stuck in the underside grind teh bedrock
> into dust (some times blown, later,
> into deposits of loess).
>
> [ref.: J.D.Hamaker, retired mechanical engr.,
> who worked at an oil company.]
>
> thus:
> nor are most glaciers actually receding, although
> this fact is mainly unnoticed, because of a massive lack
> of historical data on nearly all glaciers.
>     satellite telemetry has shown almost no change
> of Antarctic icesheets, but what else would one expect,
> considering that there is as much ice as can
> be accomodated, because "ice bergs do calve,
> period."
>
> > OK, NSIDC and NERSC don't agree. NERSC, who shows the years 2007, 2008,
> > 2009 and 2010, still shows 2010 with much more ice than 2007 and 2008.
>
> thus:
> it's just a "paradox" of assuming that it is a photon,
> when it is merely a wave; obviously,
> a thing with p=mv not equal to zero,
> can't have one of the terms being zero; so,
> it is not a particle or Newtonian corpuscle -- and
> did they *have* to give Einstein a Nobel,
> just to reify that foolishness of his?
>
> > There is no mass in the momentum of the photon.
>
> thus:
> it's probably just his grasp of English;
> don't you think?
>     as for "Newton's law,"
> its universality is actually due to Kepler;
> Hooke merely algebraized Kepler's orbital constraints,
> using some work of Huyghens (then,
> Knewton stole the inverse second-power thing from Hooke,
> and destroyed Hooke's portraits .-)
>
> thus:
> I'm allowed to agree with Al Gore about one thing;
> am I not?...  even though Mauna Loa is a weird place
> to measure CO2, it's still just one place,
> with a record since the '60s (I think).
>     now, most of the effect of humans may not
> be the burning of Fossilized Fuels (tm), but
> the burning-up of soil biota & forests.  (after all,
> oil comes out of the ground, by itself,
> under pressure -- even when we're pumping like crazy
> in the Gulf of Mexico and the Redondo Seep e.g.)
>
> thus:
> most of these things, you mention, are just theoretical
> interpretations from the Schroedinger's cat school
> of Copenhagen, "reifying the math" of the probabilities;
> they don't actually have any bearing on the correctness
> of QM or GR or SR or any thing, nor
> on your so-called theory.  but,
> why do you say that conversation of momentum
> supposedly doesn't apply to a split quantum
> of light in some standard theory?
>     and poor Nein Ein Stein believes that p = mv is a force and
> that F = ma is not, and some thing about Coriolis' force,
> merely from a didactic say-so of his (in some sort
> of pidgen English, which could be the whole problem).
>
> > - The future determines the past
> > - Virtual particles exist out of nothing
>
> --Light: A History!http://wlym.TAKEtheGOOGOLout.com

From: NoEinstein on
On May 4, 9:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 4, 8:12 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > On May 3, 11:54 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear mpc755:  Like... the chicken or the egg, ETHER came before there
> > was matter.  The ether started spiraling as soon as the first star
> > emitted light.  That's how ether flows (like water down a drain)!  So
> > the ether was in close sync with the motions of the masses, not
> > because the masses moved the ether, but because they were partners in
> > a common DANCE!  — NoEinstein —
>
> What is thought to be a 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'.
>
IT NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL! — NE —
>
> What we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. That does
> not mean the universe itself is expanding.
>
> The following can be considered to be an image of an ongoing process:
>
> http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html
>
> The following can be considered to be an image of the universe, or the
> local universe:
>
> http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg
>
> The top of the 'Black Hole' where the jet stream begins is analogous
> to the 'Quantum Fluctuations' in the previous image.
>
> What is presently considered to be the 'Big Bang' is an ongoing
> process. Material is continually emitted into the universal jet stream
> at the ejection point which is the 'Quantum Fluctuations' point in the
> previous image. This material is aether. At the '1st Stars' point of
> the previous image is where the pressure is great enough to compress
> aether into matter. As the matter continually moves away from the
> emission point it enters the 'Development of Galaxies, Planets, etc.'
> stage. This is where the matter expands in already existing three
> dimensional space. This is what we mistake for an expanding universe.
> This process continues until the material 'falls over the waterfall'
> and winds up at the Rindler Horizon (the blue disk in the latter
> image). The material is eventually re-emitted into the jet stream.
> This is a continual process associated with the universe, or the local
> universe.
>
> You are correct, aether was first and matter is compressed aether.

From: Timo Nieminen on
On May 5, 6:27 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On May 4, 7:59 pm, Timo Nieminen <t...(a)physics.uq.edu.au> wrote:
>
> Dear Timo:  Obviously, you want an 'out'.  You were so insistent that
> the numbers be right, and the math be done before performing
> experiments, that I assumed you were wanting ME to do all of those
> things.

There is very little point in doing the experiment without knowing how
big the effect is supposed to be. If I know in advance that our
Cavendish apparatus isn't sensitive enough, there isn't any point in
trying the measurement using it. But this is simply a very elementary
idea in experimental physics, so you will already be thoroughly
familiar with it.

Which is why your continued reluctance to actually say how large the
expected effect should be is truly baffling. Why, even a typical
physicist - an imbecile by your exalted standards - would be able to
do the quantitative prediction without too much trouble, perhaps with
a few hours of work. A genius of your level should have no trouble at
all, and certainly shouldn't take more than a few hours. Why would it
even take that long? Likely some tens of minutes at the most would
suffice.

But once again, you refused to answer the question. Obviously, the
hotter the balls, the larger the effect, but _how much_ larger? Don't
you know? Can't you be bothered doing a calculation which should take
well under an hour for somebody of your claimed ability when it would
lend tremendous and convincing support to your theory?

> But if you are wishing to do the experiment, yourself, why
> didn't you say just that?

I did say just that. But it seems Mr Genius can't understand plain
English, or simply can't be bothered reading, because he's too busy
writing irrelevant essays to distract attention from having had an
error of billions of dollars per year pointed out.

But because you showed so abundantly that you're a rude and abusive
arsehole, it clearly isn't worthwhile donating one's time, effort, and
equipment to you.

Besides, you can't be bothered providing information - trivial for one
of your intellect to provide - that's necessary for experiment to be
useful, so again, it isn't worthwhile doing it.

Getting concrete experimental support for your theory would be vastly
more convincing than endlessly repeating waffle, but you seem to
prefer the waffle. Enjoy!
From: mpc755 on
On May 5, 4:50 am, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On May 4, 9:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On May 4, 8:12 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 3, 11:54 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Dear mpc755:  Like... the chicken or the egg, ETHER came before there
> > > was matter.  The ether started spiraling as soon as the first star
> > > emitted light.  That's how ether flows (like water down a drain)!  So
> > > the ether was in close sync with the motions of the masses, not
> > > because the masses moved the ether, but because they were partners in
> > > a common DANCE!  — NoEinstein —
>
> > What is thought to be a 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'.
>
> IT NEVER HAPPENED AT ALL!  — NE —
>

It is more correct to say it is continually occurring.

What is thought to be a 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'.

What we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. That does
not mean the universe itself is expanding.

The following can be considered to be an image of an ongoing process:

http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html

The following can be considered to be an image of the universe, or the
local universe:

http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg

The top of the 'Black Hole' where the jet stream begins is analogous
to the 'Quantum Fluctuations' in the previous image.

What is presently considered to be the 'Big Bang' is an ongoing
process. Material is continually emitted into the universal jet stream
at the ejection point which is the 'Quantum Fluctuations' point in the
previous image. This material is aether. At the '1st Stars' point of
the previous image is where the pressure is great enough to compress
aether into matter. As the matter continually moves away from the
emission point it enters the 'Development of Galaxies, Planets, etc.'
stage. This is where the matter expands in already existing three
dimensional space. This is what we mistake for an expanding universe.
This process continues until the material 'falls over the waterfall'
and winds up at the Rindler Horizon (the blue disk in the latter
image). The material is eventually re-emitted into the jet stream.
This is a continual process associated with the universe, or the local
universe.
From: PD on
On May 4, 7:22 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
> On May 4, 11:38 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Whatever the truth is, PD contorts it.  "Rubber Rulers" has no
> supporting experiment!  Lorentz, the imbecile, used RR to 'explain'
> the nil results of M-M.  Then, supposed scientists say that M-M
> SUPPORTS Lorentz!  Where are the brains, and WHERE is the scientific
> method!  — NE —

Of course there are supporting experiments, John. You seem to be under
the impression that the MMX was the only experiment ever done to test
relativity and that the whole of relativity rests on this one
experiment, so that if you somehow fault the MMX, then all of
relativity falls.

Nothing could be further from the truth, John. Relativity has been
tested in scores of experiments, all independent of each other.

>
>
>
> > On May 3, 9:43 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > On May 3, 11:51 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On May 1, 8:25 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On May 1, 11:00 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Dear PD, the Parasite Dunce:  You just said that "physics isn't
> > > > > determined by logic".  Of course, you would think that!  That's
> > > > > because you don't know HOW to reason!
>
> > > > Well, it's because physics is a science, which means that it invokes
> > > > the scientific method, and it determines truth by experimental test,
> > > > not by logic.
>
> > > Dear PD:  WHERE was the "scientific method" when Lorentz proposed his
> > > ANTI-ENGINEERING, "rubber ruler" explanation for the nil results of M-
> > > M?
>
> > Lorentz's proposal was subject to experimental test, NoEinstein.
> > That's how science works.
> > And what on earth makes you think that this stuff is "anti-
> > engineering"?
> > Perhaps you don't know that engineers make use of relativity in their
> > designs whenever it is needed? If it's anti-engineering, why are
> > engineers happy to use it as needed?
>
> > > And where was the scientific method when both Coriolis and
> > > Einstein wrote energy equations that were exponential, and thus in
> > > violation of the Law of the Conservation of Energy?
>
> > Those energy equations have also been thoroughly tested in experiment,
> > John, exactly as I was stating. You on the other hand are trying to
> > rule them out with your bandy-legged logic, rather than considering
> > independently verified experimental tests.
>
> > > When the truth be
> > > known, PD, is this low I. Q. flunky who compensates by constantly
> > > faulting his superiors.  He has never stated a single contribution
> > > that he has made to science.  For one who devotes so much time to....
> > > 'science' shouldn't PD have... "something" to show for it?  —
> > > NoEinstein —
>
> > What do you think I should have to show for it, John?
>
> > PD
>
>