From: Intransition on 7 Apr 2010 10:42
On Apr 7, 7:00 am, thunk <gmkol...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 6, 7:35 pm, Intransition <transf...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > thunk,
> > I want to ask you a few questions. Humor me for a moment.
> > 1) On what planet in our solar system can you best breathe?
> > 2) What is the following word:
> > ____ ___ ____ ___ _
> > / ___/ _ \| __ ) / _ \| |
> > | | | | | | _ \| | | | |
> > | |__| |_| | |_) | |_| | |___
> > \____\___/|____/ \___/|_____|
> > 3) What letter is next in this sequence?
> > J F M A M J J A S O N __
> HP calculators - wow!?! well it is portable
> benton harbor basic (H8) self built
> MS Basic
> General .... Business basic
> c++ ????????!!!!! yeee
> Smalltalk :) :)
> Java (it worked)
> RUBY!!!!!!!!! :) :) :) :)
How is that an answer in any way shape or form?
> sometimes there are last words, and this is mine to you sir:
Oh, such a subtle insult.
I have my doubts you are even a real person. Or perhaps you are a
human-assisted bot (Ru'id?). In either case I wanted to try to verify
before making a decision --to see if there was any hope of reasoning
with you. I do not control the main mailing list but I do control the
google group archive of this list --I have never banned anyone before,
but I think I am going to do so in your case b/c you are not actually
having conversations. You are just filling space with nonsense.
From: thunk on 7 Apr 2010 11:05
> How is that an answer in any way shape or form?
It was intended as the LastLink as the lastWord is rather dull...
The word has so many meanings... it may not mean what you may assume
it only means. There is something in there about making oneself
bigger by trying to make others smaller.
What does COBOL imply my dear fellow?
It implies that I am dated to most anybody here, whether you are aware
of that or not.
NOBODY else has said anything like that - it has been FUN and fun it
should have remained. The COBOL thing, imho, was a kick below the
belt of a man that sees himself as trying to share something, whether
it is shareable or not.
Last night JOSH was great - on line - then off - he TOOK time to
explain that while all sorts of AMAZING things happen on Heroku - it
is only with some tricks that it is possible to "save a file".
The whole "AI" thing was NOT intended. I see these things as
"scripts" - that is how I name them internally. But "scripts" can be
a 3 line "program" or a 100,000 line program in the Ruby world - with
all the modules.
I tried the term "BOID" because it was the best FIT I could find.
I really think a lot of you guys catch a posting here, catch a posting
there and get pieces of it all, well I have really wanted to determine
if what I HAVE WORKING - has a fit into where things are for you folks
that know this stuff and live it.
My background includes authoring/designing software for my company and
the two largest precision tool companies of that time. We did a lot
of useful things and everything I am saying can be backed up. You
guys have not invented software - and I still am not convinced that
what I have working - which is NOT AI - but still has implications
could not be useful.
I TRIED to make these points but in retrospect, I suspect you guys
have a lot of "real cranks" to deal with in the snake-oil division of
AI Corp. I can understand that BUT what these humble Ru'ids can do
NOW is very interesting.
also over many years, I have noticed that when I prove something to
myself without doubt - but the 100's of hours of project work still
wait, I go through a period of self-examination / doubt / rethinking
where I like to "chat" and think about the next more mundane steps and
where it all fits.
to answer your question as directly as I can think -
that was a sequence of languages from top (earliest) to bottom
you did a sequence with me
i did a sequence back
but I still do not know if I can save a file as text and load it as a
executable class and do on Heroku what I can do on my box here. and
as Mr Ryan Davis has pointed out clearly enough for me, the spit ball
stuff is noise and there is a ratio to be watched. I'd like to
CONTRIBUTE rather than stupid stuff like this. (but hey, who butts
head with a guy named thunk anyway??) :)
From: Intransition on 7 Apr 2010 12:13
On Apr 7, 11:10 am, thunk <gmkol...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > How is that an answer in any way shape or form?
> It was intended as the LastLink as the lastWord is rather dull...
> The word has so many meanings... it may not mean what you may assume
> it only means. There is something in there about making oneself
> bigger by trying to make others smaller.
> What does COBOL imply my dear fellow?
It wasn't meant to imply anything. It was a figlet generated word
picked practically at random to see if you were a real person. (I am
going to assume that you are, though you have still not answered two
of three questions.)
You just ramble on and on. You need to focus and stick to a topic and
reply succinctly and directly. Believe me, I of all people am
sympathetic to non-conformity. But there is big difference between
being edgy and different, and being out right "spambastic". I feel bad
for you, but if you can't reign it in and stop posting non-sense
ramblings, I will be forced to black list you.
From: andrew mcelroy on 7 Apr 2010 12:22
[Note: parts of this message were removed to make it a legal post.]
On Wed, Apr 7, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Intransition <transfire(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 7, 11:10 am, thunk <gmkol...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > How is that an answer in any way shape or form?
> > It was intended as the LastLink as the lastWord is rather dull...
> > The word has so many meanings... it may not mean what you may assume
> > it only means. There is something in there about making oneself
> > bigger by trying to make others smaller.
> > What does COBOL imply my dear fellow?
> It wasn't meant to imply anything. It was a figlet generated word
> picked practically at random to see if you were a real person. (I am
> going to assume that you are, though you have still not answered two
> of three questions.)
> I can assure you that he is a real person. I have talked to him on the
phone several times.
If he isn't then it was the greatest text to speech engine I have ever
heard. The author of such a system is surely due a Turing Award.
You just ramble on and on. You need to focus and stick to a topic and
> reply succinctly and directly. Believe me, I of all people am
> sympathetic to non-conformity. But there is big difference between
> being edgy and different, and being out right "spambastic". I feel bad
> for you, but if you can't reign it in and stop posting non-sense
> ramblings, I will be forced to black list you.
It is probably genuinely a psychological problem. He is exactly the same way
on the phone.
From: thunk on 7 Apr 2010 13:11
I have communicated regularly in art related forums where the group
leader never uses capitals or punctuation. With some younger folks I
feel "verklemmt" / inhibited. I have lived in/with several languages
including the forgotten dialect of several people I loved most
It is clear that there are certain "norms" and I did not take the time
to research 100's of postings. My intent usually to get a posting
done without spending 30 minutes wondering where the darned commas
should go (I sure do miss having people to make sure that was right -
but most of my adult life I have had somebody to do this for me.
There is a REAL question, it was in the title, strange and out of the
ordinary that it may have seemed to you rather sober people:
It was something like "It's a Bird, It's a Plane, No ummmm, its a
Boid" or something like this. I gave that some thought and figured
it would grab a little more attention (good), and 5-10 postings I
could go back to work knowing that there is something like this being
done, probably not in Ruby, and that my months of intensive work would
not be of interest.
Most strangely, that did not happen here. Knowing what I know now I
can understand that you have a tight group of "solvers" that know each
other, and a stream of "newbies" or regular folks and you come from
your perspectives and try and help, end up taking some shots at each
other on this that or the other - the "satz" thing reveals that.
BUT, please think, whatever I am SEEING is not that simple, BUT I am
seeing it and being told I am "batShit Crazy" rather causes me to want
to get the job done even faster - and so it spun out of control - such
as this is - it is text and nobody is getting hurt. And there are
real thoughts in there.
I'd REALLY like to start a new thread. I like the new name Ru'id as a
tribute to Ru_by and a hint of "OIDE" - and I am not about to go
around on Boid again - that is taken - that argument I give you
I'm really not sure what to call it, but I'd like your permission to
start it fresh and I will promise to re-read my postings at least
once. And I would like permission to use links to my wiki pages
which I am working to make more sober also. (I do NOT drink, touch
drugs, or smoke... but I am used to communicating with people on a
casual basis. Many of these people make me look "proper".)
The focus is not solid onto what it would take to build a MINIMUM
RU'ID DEMO - free for everybody if possible - for testing. The idea
would be to allow Ruby programmers to "Clone" and build up the
"system" - and talk about what it does, how, and such as that. It is
a fascinating idea to me, but not my major immediate goal. I don't
know how much help it would take, because many of the issues are
unresolved - but seem like they should be resolvable somehow.
I have a link but I won't post it. Give me permission and I will.
The documentation is getting better - There is example output and I
will send you the output for 1000 patients or whatever if you want to
test this. It is real and so am I.