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From: Savageduck on 11 Apr 2010 15:37 On 2010-04-11 11:58:57 -0700, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> said: > On 4/11/2010 12:34 PM, Savageduck wrote: >> On 2010-04-11 09:00:52 -0700, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> said: >> >>> In message <2010041108291529267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck >>> <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> writes >>>> >>>> Have you guys seen any of Pat Condell's opinion in this regard? >>>> http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u >>> >>> Sounds about right. Question is should we lock up all Catholic clergy >>> on principal? It would be a reasonable position. >> >> Let's start with Ratzinger and work our way down. > > You ready to go to war? Ratzinger has his own country you know. Well first you have to plug in the irony detector. OK. Ready now? Wouldn't this be fun is we could play the game in a non-catholic Court. Perhaps at The Hague. Provided the guys in costumes and carrying pikes will let us. ....and I know, Dan Brown says some of them dress in Armani and carry SIG Sauers. -- Regards, Savageduck
From: GMAN on 11 Apr 2010 17:39 In article <2010041108291529267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: >On 2010-04-11 08:17:14 -0700, tony cooper <tony_cooper213(a)earthlink.net> said: > >> On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 14:46:46 +0100, Chris H <chris(a)phaedsys.org> >> wrote: >> >>> The difference is that the incidents among teachers is far lower than >>> the Catholic clergy and when caught the teachers get prosecuted. The >>> Priests get protected and moved to new places >> >> The Catholic church cannot arrest anyone. The Catholic church cannot >> charge anyone with a crime. The Catholic church cannot try anyone in >> a court of law. The Catholic church cannot refuse to allow a priest >> to be arrested or tried. >> >> Any failures to arrest or prosecute are failures of the civil law >> enforcement and prosecutorial agencies. We know that priests have >> committed sexual abuse. Victims have stated that they were abused. >> Victims have testified that they have been abused in civil court >> cases. >> >> Why are there so few arrests or trials? The Catholic church has >> shielded offenders, but how can this stop the process of arrest and >> trial? Organized crime shields their members and withholds >> information and records, but the police manage to penetrate their >> shielding. Any other type of criminal is not protected because they >> move to a new place. Do you think a teacher is protected because he >> or she moves to a new place? >> >> The law enforcement agencies and courts of your country and mine have >> the power to penetrate the shielding, but they don't. Why? >> >> The church and members of the church's clergy have committed horrific >> criminal acts and are guilty of shameful cover-ups. It is equally >> shameful, however, that the civil authorities are doing very little to >> punish the offenders. >> >> Everyone - including myself - want the offending priests in jail. >> But, the only people who can effect this - the civil law enforcement >> agencies - are not doing much about it. >> >> >> >> >> > >Have you guys seen any of Pat Condell's opinion in this regard? >http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u > > Thanks for the link.
From: Savageduck on 11 Apr 2010 17:50 On 2010-04-11 14:39:30 -0700, Winniethepooh(a)100acrewoods.org (GMAN) said: > In article <2010041108291529267-savageduck1(a)REMOVESPAMmecom>, > Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote: < Le Snip> >> Have you guys seen any of Pat Condell's opinion in this regard? >> http://www.youtube.com/user/patcondell#p/u >> >> > Thanks for the link. It is always good to get a different perspective, and his opinion is different to that usually found in the mainstream. As he says on his website "Hi, I'm Pat Condel. I don't respect your beliefs and I don't care if you're offended." http://www.patcondell.net/ -- Regards, Savageduck
From: tony cooper on 11 Apr 2010 19:48 On 11 Apr 2010 22:34:46 GMT, rfischer(a)sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote: >It's pretty obvious that lying by your church and child molestation >done by your priests doesn't bother you. If it's obvious, then find one statement that I have made that is in any way supportive or defensive of the acts of the priests who have committed molestation or the hierarchy of the church who have ignored or covered-up these transgressions. Just one. That "your church" charge is a bit difficult to argue with. I haven't been a practicing Catholic for 30 or 40 years, but was once. It isn't really "my" church, but it's not like club where you turn in a letter of resignation and your ID card. You just stop believing and stop going. They don't release you. My wife still attends mass, but less regularly as time goes by. She didn't this (Sunday) morning, missed Easter mass, and forgot about Ash Wednesday. Her Irish parents would turn over in their graves if they knew. Yes, I sent my children to Catholic schools, but that was a choice based on the comparative academic conditions of those schools and the public schools in this district. Find any list of how schools rate by state and you will find that Florida public schools are down near the bottom. The Catholic schools and the other private schools provide a better education. But, if you feel I'm somehow supportive of the church on the issue of abuse and/or cover-ups, then show me where I've indicated that. I'll be glad to retract or re-state anything I've said that would give you this impression. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
From: tony cooper on 11 Apr 2010 20:01
On Sun, 11 Apr 2010 22:44:21 GMT, Winniethepooh(a)100acrewoods.org (GMAN) wrote: >>>I bet all of the kids at the High School you attended thought of you as >>>one huge douchebag. >> >>I've never been huge. I'm about 5'8" and weighed about 120 pounds in >>high school. I'm still the same height, but I've put on 50 pounds. >> > >My kid is your weight and he is in high school. But then again he is 6'3". > >>If the thrust of your statement is that you don't feel I was one of >>the popular people in high school, you are correct. I was neither >>popular nor particularly unpopular. Just average...able to get dates >>but not with the really popular girls. >> > >You were probably a good Cunning Linguist to them? Good Lord, no! I didn't even know what that was all about when I was in high school in Indiana in the 50s. Best we could do was get a long lead-off from first base, and we were happy to get that far. -- Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida |