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From: Eeyore on 8 Dec 2008 20:15 Rupert wrote: > In large venues in the U.S (arena's, stadiums, sheds, convention > halls, large ballrooms, etc.), you are not allowed to tie into the > house power *at all* even with a dedicated panel for audio (company > switch), with or without connectors (i.e. Camloks). The actual > connection is always done by a union electrician contracted by the > venue. And you call us Europeans Socialists ? Bwahahahahahahahhahahahha Graham
From: Rupert on 8 Dec 2008 20:34 On Dec 8, 5:15 pm, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelati...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Rupert wrote: > > In large venues in the U.S (arena's, stadiums, sheds, convention > > halls, large ballrooms, etc.), you are not allowed to tie into the > > house power *at all* even with a dedicated panel for audio (company > > switch), with or without connectors (i.e. Camloks). The actual > > connection is always done by a union electrician contracted by the > > venue. > > And you call us Europeans Socialists ? > > Bwahahahahahahahhahahahha > > Graham I call them no such thing. Rupert
From: jakdedert on 8 Dec 2008 23:22 Joe Kotroczo wrote: > On 29/11/08 12:39, in article > paudnX2NtNxxqqzUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound Company" > <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> If >>> you're only told the amps, you don't know which connectors are there and >>> which distro and cables to bring. >>> >>> BTW: the rating of the connector is not always equal to the available >>> power. >>> Very rarely you get surprised by some dumbass having put 20A fuses behind >>> a >>> 32A connector or some such idiocy. >>> >> mostvenues have way more power thanI need >> the electrician must refuse the box so that there is not more power >> available than the rated ampacity of the feeder I am suppling >> and normally there are no connecters, everything is a hard tie in beytween >> me and the venue >> George > > Sounds like a potential source of trouble to me. For starters, you have to > wait until an electrician shows up. I prefer connectors. Plug and play, if > you will. > > It's a difference between normal US practice and Europe. We generally tie feeder directly into the house power using bare tails clamped into the house feed box. Size of the tails is dependent on the expected load; but 00 or 0000 gauge cable (single runs) is customary for anything over 100 amps. These are terminated with inline 'Twist loc' connectors. Many venues offer direct connect to house power via permanent, panel-mounted twist locs. Downstream of the House disconnect is usually the responsibility of the visiting production company. jak
From: George's Pro Sound Company on 8 Dec 2008 23:38 "jakdedert" <jakdedert(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:Ekm%k.5485$M01.1060(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... > Joe Kotroczo wrote: >> On 29/11/08 12:39, in article >> paudnX2NtNxxqqzUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound >> Company" >> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> If >>>> you're only told the amps, you don't know which connectors are there >>>> and >>>> which distro and cables to bring. >>>> >>>> BTW: the rating of the connector is not always equal to the available >>>> power. >>>> Very rarely you get surprised by some dumbass having put 20A fuses >>>> behind >>>> a >>>> 32A connector or some such idiocy. >>>> >>> mostvenues have way more power thanI need >>> the electrician must refuse the box so that there is not more power >>> available than the rated ampacity of the feeder I am suppling >>> and normally there are no connecters, everything is a hard tie in >>> beytween >>> me and the venue >>> George >> >> Sounds like a potential source of trouble to me. For starters, you have >> to >> wait until an electrician shows up. I prefer connectors. Plug and play, >> if >> you will. > It's a difference between normal US practice and Europe. We generally tie > feeder directly into the house power using bare tails clamped into the > house feed box. Size of the tails is dependent on the expected load; but > 00 or 0000 gauge cable (single runs) is customary for anything over 100 > amps. These are terminated with inline 'Twist loc' connectors. Many > venues offer direct connect to house power via permanent, panel-mounted > twist locs. > > Downstream of the House disconnect is usually the responsibility of the > visiting production company. > > jak when tieing into the house, the tie in is always post fuse this fuse must be equal or lower ampacity than the wire your tieing in with(your tails) sothere is no chance of drawing too much current into your wire George
From: jakdedert on 9 Dec 2008 01:30
George's Pro Sound Company wrote: > "jakdedert" <jakdedert(a)bellsouth.net> wrote in message > news:Ekm%k.5485$M01.1060(a)bignews3.bellsouth.net... >> Joe Kotroczo wrote: >>> On 29/11/08 12:39, in article >>> paudnX2NtNxxqqzUnZ2dnUVZ_rXinZ2d(a)earthlink.com, "George's Pro Sound >>> Company" >>> <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> If >>>>> you're only told the amps, you don't know which connectors are there >>>>> and >>>>> which distro and cables to bring. >>>>> >>>>> BTW: the rating of the connector is not always equal to the available >>>>> power. >>>>> Very rarely you get surprised by some dumbass having put 20A fuses >>>>> behind >>>>> a >>>>> 32A connector or some such idiocy. >>>>> >>>> mostvenues have way more power thanI need >>>> the electrician must refuse the box so that there is not more power >>>> available than the rated ampacity of the feeder I am suppling >>>> and normally there are no connecters, everything is a hard tie in >>>> beytween >>>> me and the venue >>>> George >>> Sounds like a potential source of trouble to me. For starters, you have >>> to >>> wait until an electrician shows up. I prefer connectors. Plug and play, >>> if >>> you will. >> It's a difference between normal US practice and Europe. We generally tie >> feeder directly into the house power using bare tails clamped into the >> house feed box. Size of the tails is dependent on the expected load; but >> 00 or 0000 gauge cable (single runs) is customary for anything over 100 >> amps. These are terminated with inline 'Twist loc' connectors. Many >> venues offer direct connect to house power via permanent, panel-mounted >> twist locs. >> >> Downstream of the House disconnect is usually the responsibility of the >> visiting production company. >> >> jak > > when tieing into the house, the tie in is always post fuse > this fuse must be equal or lower ampacity than the wire your tieing in > with(your tails) sothere is no chance of drawing too much current into your > wire > George > > I probably thought it was understood that the source was fused; but should have mentioned it. Some jurisdictions/venues require an external disconnect between the main box and the touring PD as well. jak |