Question re Canon iP1500
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From: measekite on 3 Apr 2006 22:20 Mary wrote: >"Gary Tait" <classicsat(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:Xns979ACDE722E66wonkynillmailnil(a)142.77.1.194... > > >>"Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e0qbbh$3fb$1(a)emma.aioe.org: >> >> >> >>>I thought my iP 1500 was a previous generation? >>> >>> >>It is. The lower end of the Canon lines use tri-color carts, rather >> >> >than > > >>individual carts. The only change in the bottom of the new line (the >> >> >1600), > > >>is that they have switched to Head-ON-Carts, which means no >> >> >aftermarket > > >>(for now), and even more costly carts, since you are buying a >> >> >printhead > > >>each time. >> >> > >Yes, it would cost more - thats no good. I wonder why they did that when >the ip1500 has tri color carts. Don't some other manufacturers such as >Lexmark > LEXMARK DOES NOT MAKE INJET PRINTERS. THEY DO MAKE INK DISPENSERS >have mainly or only head on carts? Just wondered - is Canon the >best printer to get? or are there other brands just as good? High on my >requirements is a printer that takes carts that are not too expensive, >though all of them are, but the least or close to it and one that has >available compatibles. > > > >>Doing the math, it would cost you nearly thrice per cart set for a >> >> >1600 vs > > >>a 3200, so you would be even better off to go for the 3200 (or 4200). >> >> > >seems like it. I've never seen the 3200 so far here, but saw 4200 >advertised on STaples Canada but its a little more money than the 4000 >and unless it has much better features than the 4000, its not worth >paying more. > > > >>But since you have that 4000 apparently available, scoop that up and >> >> >you > > >>will be golden. >> >> > >The 4000 is not really cheap. There are lots cheaper, and I would have >to pay $80.00 to get it, instead of nothing or $20.00 more after I hand >in my old printer. It might be worth it, though I would have to think >about it. By the way, is the 4000 tri color carts? Not separate colors >is it? >The thing I liked about the ip1500 it has a printhead you could take out >if needing cleaned, and just had to buy carts and also the carts were >cheaper than most other printers. And it printed photos good enough for >me. It was cheap to buy but I found it satisfactory for my purposes. >Other people may like to get really good printers but I am happy with a >cheaper printer as long as it works fine for me. > >Mary > > >
From: measekite on 3 Apr 2006 22:24 Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1144107553.174319.11720(a)e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com... > > >>Mary wrote: >> >> >>>I'll have to see what printers are available here and go from there. >>> >>> >We > > >>>are more limited for variety of printers you have. You have 10 times >>> >>> >the > > >>>population we have, so you have more competition, which means >>> >>> >cheaper > > >>>prices, and more variety. I have 4 Staples stores not too far away >>> >>> >from > > >>>where I live, and notice that in different Staples they have some >>>different models that other stores don't have on display. I don't >>> >>> >know > > >>>if they would have iP 5000 or not, but if iP 4000 is more than I >>> >>> >want to > > >>>pay, iP 5000 would be even more money. From my experience with >>> >>> >Epson, I > > >>>vowed never to get 4 different cartridges again. I really don't want >>> >>> >to > > >>>buy carts online if I don't have to. I am not sure what I am going >>> >>> >to > > >>>get yet and would have to look around. Staples in Canada have an >>> >>> >online > > >>>site and have iP 4000 advertised there but its about twice the price >>> >>> >I > > >>>paid for the one I have, so I would have to pay about $60.00 Can. >>> >>> >plus > > >>>15% tax which is what we pay, so thats $80.00 Can. =$68.30 US. I >>> >>> >can't > > >>>really afford that right now, and may have to stop printing photos >>> >>> >at > > >>>home. The cartridges are too expensive, and I need to start using >>> >>> >the > > >>>Kodak machines you get at Walmart and other places. >>> >>> >>Walmart is a good solid solution for photos, but I must submit in the >>case of Canon, and usually in the case of Epson, the 4 or 5 cartridge >>makes the best ecconomic sence. >> >> > >Maybe, but going back and forth every week or two is not my idea of fun. >I would rather put up with the three in one colors and print less >photos. I have an allergy to buying printer cartridges. >Must be my Scotch blood. > MAYBE IF U DRANK SOME SCOTCH YOU COULD MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. >Seems like everybody complains about the prices >charged. Yes, they have to make their money from cartridges, but I think >I would rather pay more for the printer and a LOT less for cartridges. >Just bugs me no end. > > I DO NOT WANT TO PAY MORE FOR THE PRINTER BUT I DO WANT TO PAY LESS FOR THE CARTS AND THERE IS ENOUGH PROFIT FOR BOTH >The ip1500 and even the old bj-2100 > > >>offered thimble sized cartridges which increase your cost per page. >>Last time I did the math it was about double the cost. >> >> > >I wasn't printing many photos then, so those printers were fine for me >and I might go back to not printing many photos again. Its getting too >expensive. > > > >>$80 canadian for the ip4000 is a dang good deal, likely to be a >> >> NOW YOU ARE TALKIN AND USE OEM INK TOO >limited > > >>time deal as this model has been replaced by the ip4200 which is as I >>said in another responce not so easy to refill. >> >> > >I meant I would have to pay $80.00 Can. for the difference between >handing in my old printer and getting a new one. The ip4000 is $150.00 >Can. if I were to go to the store and buy it without considering I am >giving back my ip1500. On the other hand, I could take my printer back >and pay nothing or maybe another $20.00 to get something a little >better, but I wasn't thinking of paying $80.00 more. And I don't want a >printer that is not three colors in one cartridge. > > > >>To really lower costs, consider refilling your self. I'm not up on >>Canadian companies, but hobbicolors on e-bay has the best price, and >>enough people have used it to sugest it's good. You might ask if they >>are willing to ship via US post declairing it as "stationary supplies >>Gift $20.00". That's what it costs, it's the truth, well except the >>gift part. >>http://hobbicolors.com/page5.html >> >> > >Usually if its a company, they won't undervalue their declaration. With >individuals you can do almost all the time, but companies are different >and are more cautious. I've never looked into buying ink online, but I >know thee are some Canadian sites sell it. I don't think I would want to >do refills. seems like a pain to me. > > > >>For the moment i'll assume US$30, UK would be $12 to ship and canada >>should be similar. So CDN$35, or let's say CDN$40 just to be safe. >>This represents about 4 refills of color, and 4 refills of pigmented >>black. Slightly over, but i'm lazy. CDN$2.50 each. >> >> > >Where do you get UK from on your top line? > > > >>Assuming an average price of CDN$16.75 per color and dye black, and >> >> >CDN > > >>$18 for the big pigmented black, this works out to be CDN $340 plus >> >> >15% > > >>tax CDN$391. Even the Staple compatables are at best CDN$13.46 each, >> >> >a > > >>good deal more than CDN $2.50 each. When taking paper into account, >>this would likely undercut Walmart printing. >> >> > >You mean I would pay $391.00? I could buy a lot of printers for that. >I'm sure you don't mean that. > > > >>This is not to say one can't easily refill a ip-1500, just simply the >>cartridges are smaller and there isn't the level of aftermarket >> >> >support > > >>for it, esp that tri-color tank. I "imagine" the ip1600 could be, but >>this is a tad more touchy as they are tanks with cartridges onboard, >>much more difficult than a transparent tank with a wod of foam on the >>inside. >> >> > >I haven't looked into one of the ink refillers here. When I had the >Epson after a while, I got the tanks refilled at an ink refilling place >in a mall not too far from me. But I don't want to do separate color >cartridges again. I got very put off and seemed to always be getting >them refilled. Epson charged a lot for their carts. > > > >>But as burt says it's up to you. The ip4000 at that price, and manual >>refilling makes buckets of economic sense, even if you go for >>compatables. Checkout nifty regarding Canadian solutions. >> >> > >The Ip4000 is $150.00 Can. to buy. If I take back the ip5000, I would >have to pay $80.00 to make the price up to $150.00 and the ip4000 has >separate cartridges which I don't want. I would rather print less photos >and use the tri color carts. > >Mry > > > >
From: Burt on 3 Apr 2006 23:06 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message news:e0sevh$pb4$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > "Gary Tait" <classicsat(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:Xns979ACDE722E66wonkynillmailnil(a)142.77.1.194... >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e0qbbh$3fb$1(a)emma.aioe.org: >> >> > I thought my iP 1500 was a previous generation? >> >> It is. The lower end of the Canon lines use tri-color carts, rather > than >> individual carts. The only change in the bottom of the new line (the > 1600), >> is that they have switched to Head-ON-Carts, which means no > aftermarket >> (for now), and even more costly carts, since you are buying a > printhead >> each time. > > Yes, it would cost more - thats no good. I wonder why they did that when > the ip1500 has tri color carts. Don't some other manufacturers such as > Lexmark have mainly or only head on carts? Just wondered - is Canon the > best printer to get? or are there other brands just as good? High on my > requirements is a printer that takes carts that are not too expensive, > though all of them are, but the least or close to it and one that has > available compatibles. > >> Doing the math, it would cost you nearly thrice per cart set for a > 1600 vs >> a 3200, so you would be even better off to go for the 3200 (or 4200). > > seems like it. I've never seen the 3200 so far here, but saw 4200 > advertised on STaples Canada but its a little more money than the 4000 > and unless it has much better features than the 4000, its not worth > paying more. > >> But since you have that 4000 apparently available, scoop that up and > you >> will be golden. > > The 4000 is not really cheap. There are lots cheaper, and I would have > to pay $80.00 to get it, instead of nothing or $20.00 more after I hand > in my old printer. It might be worth it, though I would have to think > about it. By the way, is the 4000 tri color carts? Not separate colors > is it? > The thing I liked about the ip1500 it has a printhead you could take out > if needing cleaned, and just had to buy carts and also the carts were > cheaper than most other printers. And it printed photos good enough for > me. It was cheap to buy but I found it satisfactory for my purposes. > Other people may like to get really good printers but I am happy with a > cheaper printer as long as it works fine for me. > > Mary > Although the cost of the ip1500 carts may appear cheap to you, they are really expensive when you figure how little ink is in them (just repeating what Zakezuke said). The rule of thumb is - the cheaper the printer, the more expensive the ink. With the purchase of G&G or Procolor aftermarket carts online from Alotofthings the extra cost of the ip4000 would come back to you many times over. I'm sorry to see that you've made up your mind about the separate cart issue. I can also tell you that, with a little advanced preparation, refilling isn't any harder or more messy than most of the cooking I've done! Do you know anyone who belongs to costco and would buy you some of the Kirkland glossy photo paper? With that paper and cheap aftermarket ink you will beat any of the retail photo costs. With refilling and Costco paper My 4x6 prints probably don't cost more than seven or eight cents US. 8x10 or 8.5x11 prints probably cost me about twenty-five or thirty cents. That's for paper (Costco) and ink (MIS bulk ink for refills) together. The bottom line, however, is that you have to be comfortable doing things the way you want to. No matter what your decision, I think it's great that you have put together the whole digital camera/computer/printer process and are enjoying it!
From: Mary on 3 Apr 2006 23:45 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:zolYf.66265$dW3.23167(a)newssvr21.news.prodigy.com... > >> "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in news:e0qbbh$3fb$1(a)emma.aioe.org: > >> > >> > I thought my iP 1500 was a previous generation? > >> > >> It is. The lower end of the Canon lines use tri-color carts, rather > > than > >> individual carts. The only change in the bottom of the new line (the > > 1600), > >> is that they have switched to Head-ON-Carts, which means no > > aftermarket > >> (for now), and even more costly carts, since you are buying a > > printhead > >> each time. > > > > Yes, it would cost more - thats no good. I wonder why they did that when > > the ip1500 has tri color carts. Don't some other manufacturers such as > > Lexmark have mainly or only head on carts? Just wondered - is Canon the > > best printer to get? or are there other brands just as good? High on my > > requirements is a printer that takes carts that are not too expensive, > > though all of them are, but the least or close to it and one that has > > available compatibles. > > > >> Doing the math, it would cost you nearly thrice per cart set for a > > 1600 vs > >> a 3200, so you would be even better off to go for the 3200 (or 4200). > > > > seems like it. I've never seen the 3200 so far here, but saw 4200 > > advertised on STaples Canada but its a little more money than the 4000 > > and unless it has much better features than the 4000, its not worth > > paying more. > > > >> But since you have that 4000 apparently available, scoop that up and > > you > >> will be golden. > > > > The 4000 is not really cheap. There are lots cheaper, and I would have > > to pay $80.00 to get it, instead of nothing or $20.00 more after I hand > > in my old printer. It might be worth it, though I would have to think > > about it. By the way, is the 4000 tri color carts? Not separate colors > > is it? > > The thing I liked about the ip1500 it has a printhead you could take out > > if needing cleaned, and just had to buy carts and also the carts were > > cheaper than most other printers. And it printed photos good enough for > > me. It was cheap to buy but I found it satisfactory for my purposes. > > Other people may like to get really good printers but I am happy with a > > cheaper printer as long as it works fine for me. > > > > Mary > > > Although the cost of the ip1500 carts may appear cheap to you, they are > really expensive when you figure how little ink is in them (just repeating > what Zakezuke said). That may be true, but it doesn't seem so bad spending small amounts of money at a time. If you buy a more expensive printer, you pay more for the carts. they may last longer, but seems you lay out more money at a time. I've enjoyed having the ip1500 and its too bad its got something wrong with it now. I thought it would last longer. The BJC 2100 lasted 3 years and would still have lasted except the printhead was going to cost more than the printer was worth. It was a better built printer than the ip1500 but I liked the ip1500 OK. >The rule of thumb is - the cheaper the printer, the > more expensive the ink. I found the ip1500 had cheaper ink carts than printers you pay more for and cheaper than other brands of printers, but as you say maybe the carts don't last as long. I really don't know about that. >With the purchase of G&G or Procolor aftermarket > carts online from Alotofthings the extra cost of the ip4000 would come back > to you many times over. I'm sorry to see that you've made up your mind > about the separate cart issue. I might think about the ip4000. Is it separate color carts? >I can also tell you that, with a little > advanced preparation, refilling isn't any harder or more messy than most of > the cooking I've done! Haha, is your cooking that messy? I would hope that refilling ink carts would be much more messy. I've heard people try them and complain it was too messy. Lets say I would rather not do it. I don't think I have the right kind of patience. I have patience for some things but not others. I just want to get a tri color cart, so would like a printer that will take one. There must be some. I have found the ip1500 to print ok for my purposes and the Epson I had for a year and a half put me off separate carts.. >Do you know anyone who belongs to costco and would > buy you some of the Kirkland glossy photo paper? With that paper and cheap > aftermarket ink you will beat any of the retail photo costs. With refilling > and Costco paper My 4x6 prints probably don't cost more than seven or eight > cents US. 8x10 or 8.5x11 prints probably cost me about twenty-five or > thirty cents. That's for paper (Costco) and ink (MIS bulk ink for refills) > together. Actually, I don't know anyone who belongs to Costco though there is one not far from where I live, but not that many in Toronto area. Costco is not big here like in the States. Only a certain niche of the population go there. And they may not have the same photo paper you mention above even though its an American Co. People with children get more benefit from Costco since they sell a lot of stuff in bulk. I had a membership in it years ago, but found I never used it. > The bottom line, however, is that you have to be comfortable doing things > the way you want to. No matter what your decision, I think it's great that > you have put together the whole digital camera/computer/printer process and > are enjoying it! I've had a computer for 16 years so its not new to me. I do all my own upgrading. I got tired phoning my son in law :). As for the digital camera, it took me about 5 or 6 months to get one I liked. In the meantime I was doing a lot of research on them. Prices are higher here than the US, escept for HP which is a reasonable price. One good thing though, digital cameras here are often on sale and quite a few camera stores who price match each other. Staples used to give you 150% difference between their price and competitors, but that ended just before I bought my camera. Now they just give 10%. I still have a lot to learn about my camera.I got the Sony W5 and it seems fine. I am not in a rush, since I have the extended warranty and can take the ip1500 back, so will go to the 4 Staples stores around me this week if I can, and see what model printers and prices they have. It was online I saw the ip4000 but I like to see things for myself and rarely buy anything online unless I've seen it. Their online products are not always in their stores though, and vice versa.. So its a bit of a nuisance to go to different Staples but the best way. Mary
From: zakezuke on 4 Apr 2006 00:23
> Actually, I don't know anyone who belongs to Costco though there is one > not far from where I live, but not that many in Toronto area. Costco is > not big here like in the States. Only a certain niche of the population > go there. And they may not have the same photo paper you mention above > even though its an American Co. People with children get more benefit > from Costco since they sell a lot of stuff in bulk. I had a membership > in it years ago, but found I never used it. The Kirkland photopaper, the 125pack of 8.5x11 is the same in Canada (vancouver at least), US, and Mexico (at least Merida), and almost the same in the UK except it's offered at a4 not letter. It's a swiss import, USD $20ish. Can't remember what it cost in vancouver but it was on par with the price US. > >The rule of thumb is - the cheaper the printer, the > > more expensive the ink. > I found the ip1500 had cheaper ink carts than printers you pay more for > and cheaper than other brands of printers, but as you say maybe the > carts don't last as long. I really don't know about that. Those thimble sized tanks are double to tripple the cost per ml. The ip3000/4000/5000 is the middle ground between a good cost per page and starting investment. 25ml black pigment and 14ml color. The next step up is something along the lines of the HP business jet 2300 which would cost you USD$500 to USD$900 dependong on options, and the 4 tanks cost US$33.99 each, but the black is 69ml and the color is 28ml, and IIRC it's more efficent than canon in terms of ml per page. Note double the volume but less than double the cost. A great deal but most people are not hip to spending so much they won't see any savings till after a few years of use. |