Question re Canon iP1500
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From: measekite on 4 Apr 2006 14:02 I JUST CANNOT BELIEVE THE NONSENSE SHE WRITES AND HOW MUCH SHE DOES NOT KNOW Mary wrote: THE USUAL STUPIDITY SNIP UNREADABLE DIATRIBE
From: zakezuke on 4 Apr 2006 23:07 > Measekite said: "the ip4200 is $80". Two points. 1. You said just a short time ago that the ip4000 was better in terms of speed than the ip4200 and one would be a fool to buy it. 2. We are talking with a Canadian who near as i'm aware has limited her options to Staples due to the extended warranty. I have only "heard" of the ip3200, i've never seen one for sale. I "imagine" it would be like the ip4200 but missing the dye black. My ip3000 is just dandy without the dye black, though on matte paper it does get a tad soggy for black areas. This is easily resolved setting the paper type to plain paper. Mary seems to want a printer that has cheap supplies. There are no aftermarket supplies other than bulk ink for the ip4200 presently.
From: Mary on 5 Apr 2006 13:24 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1144206445.521771.146270(a)i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com... > > Measekite said: "the ip4200 is $80". > > Two points. > > 1. You said just a short time ago that the ip4000 was better in terms > of speed than the ip4200 and one would be a fool to buy it. > > 2. We are talking with a Canadian who near as i'm aware has limited > her options to Staples due to the extended warranty. > > I have only "heard" of the ip3200, i've never seen one for sale. I > "imagine" it would be like the ip4200 but missing the dye black. My > ip3000 is just dandy without the dye black, though on matte paper it > does get a tad soggy for black areas. This is easily resolved setting > the paper type to plain paper. > > Mary seems to want a printer that has cheap supplies. Who doesn't? :). Mary *** Free account sponsored by SecureIX.com *** *** Encrypt your Internet usage with a free VPN account from http://www.SecureIX.com ***
From: Mary on 5 Apr 2006 13:47 "Arthur Entlich" <e-printerhelp(a)mvps.org> wrote in message news:7ksYf.217733$sa3.96579(a)pd7tw1no... > Future Shop isn't Canadian owned anymore. It started out privately > owned in Canada. Was then sold and made public but still held in > Canada. It is now owned by Best Buy, a US company. Like Staples used to be Business Depot till it was bought by Staples. It still has Business Depot/Staples outside their stores for people familiar with Business Depot name. Hudsons Bay was just bought by a rich American guy not long ago. They all get offers they can't refuse I guess. > The name has value to them, since it was built and billed as a Canadian > company. Best Buy doesn't really want you to know or think about Future > Shop as theirs. Lately, they have been opening up Best Buy stores right > across the way from Future Shop, so they can "play" off one another for > pricing. I'm in the east end of Toronto and only one Best Buy out my way but about 4 Future shops, one FS a 5 min. drive from me. I was there yesterday in fact. I have not seen Best Buy and Future shop stores close to each other, but it could be the case in some areas. There are a lot more Future shops here than Best Buy. About 8 Best Buys in Toronto and immediate area and about 14 FS's. Myself I prefer Future shop, as they have more variety. Maybe its just the Best Buy near me. It was built only about a year ago near a large shopping mall. I find they don't have the same amount of variety and prices are a little more there than Future shop. It is the same game they play in shopping malls where 3 or 4 > athletic shoe stores, all with different names and slightly different > stock, carry on business, and people "comparison shop" between the > stores, thinking they are shopping for the best deal. However, all the > shops are actually owned by one parent company, so they don't care which > store you end up buying at. You may "save" a few bucks, but any way you > look at it, you've made the purchase from the same business, and since > all are owned by one company, the prices never vary more than a few > bucks, since they "control" the level of competition between them. One difference between the two stores is Best Buy sales people are not on commision, and wear a badge saying "we are not on commission" meaning they don't bug people to buy like some Future shop sales people do as they are not on commission. I don't have a problem with FS sales people, maybe because they know me and know I don't want to be bugged and like to look around. > It gives people a nice warm feeling that they comparison shopped and > came home with the best deal "in the mall". The thing is, a shop 2 > blocks down, independently owned, might have offered the same pair of > shoes for 40% less, but they don't want you leaving the mall, so they > offer you "fake" shopping around. Future Shop and Best Buy do just > that. I was told that in Toronto somewhere they opened up a Best Buy > next to a Future Shop, as an experiment. There was also an Office Depot > and Staples in the same area. When the Best Buy opened, Future Shop > "lost" about 10-15% of the business to them, but Staples and Office > Depot lost over 40% between them to them, so that still put them 40% > ahead, since the Future Shop business was just transferred from one > store to the other. I don't know where that would be. not out my way anyway. Toronto is huge so could be in the west end and I know nothing whats out there - too far :) > Nothing better than owning your supposed competition. The food industry > does it all the time. They all have marketing ploys to try to make a decent profit and survive. Mary
From: Mary on 5 Apr 2006 14:23
"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > Yes, you still have "future shop". The only reason I think they are > still in operation in Canada is because they are Canadian owned. Not any more. Best Buy bought them out a few years ago. But Future shop stock has not changed in any way that I can see and I';ve been going to the same Future shop near me for 10 years. Some people don't know that Best Buy owns it now as it looks exactly the same with same sales people. Only difference is its American owned now instead of Canadian, but so is a lot of chain stores now. > > So far I haven't seen the ip1500 in STaples and I have to deal with them > > to get a new printer undr my extended warranty. I really don't want to > > pay a lot for a printer. > > What you pay for your printer is pretty much meaningless. Whether you > buy the $50 printer, or the $150 printer, you will without a doubt > spend more on ink than the printer unless you go aftermarket bulk ink, > or find a great deal on refills. It's the cost of the supplies, if you > are buying OEM, that will run you hundreds of dollars. It's the cost > of the supplies that are paramount to the budget. > > If you want cheap refills... you gotta buy a multi-tank printer. There > isn't anything like the ip1500 currently made with a tri color tank. > There just is not. I went to one of the STaplels stores I often go to yesterday and spoke to the sales guy who I know will give me his honest opinion and not store opinion. I looked at a few printers and he and I looked at the price of the cartridges that go with the printers as that is what I will be using. I don't plan on using aftermarket bulk ink, though maybe would to to an ink refiller in the mall at some point. I am sure its fine for many people, but its not big here for the average home printer, unless you print a lot of photos, which I did off and on but won't be printing so many in future. Some printers had features I liked but didn't have something else. We only looked at about 5 printers. A few were tricolor carts which is fine for me and different color carts are more of a hassle in my view at least. I've done that and don't want to do it again. Sales guy showed me: HP5440 - for $90.00 (all prices Can. - US $ =$1.18 = one Can.$) This one was tricolor and cost $45.00 for both color and black carts - no Staples compatibles. We checked amount of ink in the color and it was about the same as the BCI 24 Canon color which is what I use, 14 ml's or so, and the black HP one was a little more volume than the BCI 24 black but Canon two pack cost $25.00 compared to $45.00 for HP. He said the HP is a new printer on the market- for Canadian market at least. I think the carts came with printheads. Canon ip4000 cost $65.00 for both carts and not much more ink in them than the ip1500 and as you know, print heads on carts. thats why they are a lot more than my ip1500. > The other printer that's on the market that i'd seirously consider is > the hp 8250. It's CDN$249.92. It offers a spiffy photo pack that > includes 6 inks for CDN $49.92 and 150 sheets of 4x6 paper rather than > 81.76 if you bought the inks one at a time. The yield isn't high but > the cost per page isn't horrible, ink efficency from my understanding > is very high. > > Yes, this is more money. Way out of my leage and not necessary for my needs. HP isn't horrible on the tri-color front, and most of the base models > give you the option to buy the spiffy photo cartridge and use "as > needed", but the cost for black, plain black text, will eat you alive > on models under $100. the new one I saw HP5440 was $90.00 and had the cheapest carts I looked at yesterday - though a lot more than the ip1500. There was also HP 5940 - tri color and black carts, optional tanks for photos. it was $130.00. I saw on Staples website the HP3845 I think you mentioned but the sale guy said none of the stores have them. The warehouse has them but the warehouse stuff and store stuff are sold separately. He said it wasn't a bad printer but pretty well sold out in all Staples stores. I didn't see any printers that had color and black carts for $25.00 like the ip1500. They were about twice the price and not much more volume either. Most HP's had printheads on carts, and no special values. Have to buy name brands. Canon has the most STaples brands compatibles. The sales guy suggested I clean the bottom of the printhead with acetate like nail polish to see if that helps, which I did. I also took Tony's suggestion of turning down the magenta in printer properties and that seemed to help. But whether that lasts or not, is another matter. Tony sent me the codes to stop the message I was getting about "waste ink absorber almost full, press Resume button" but as far as I know that is only to stop the messaage from appearing. Last night, the message wasn't there, but it might come back. I also got more information on Warranties and extended warranty with Staples. I mentioned about some people here saying to phone Canon to get a printhead, and he said it isn't done that way here, or not in Staples at least. During the first year of the warranty, if the product you buy such as a printer is under $200.00, and even if you have no extended warranty with Staples, if something goes wrong with your printer, Staples will replace it. If you have extended warranty another year will be added to the replacement feature. the extended warranty is $10.00 for something under $100.00. He said the printhead for example would cost Canon about $30.00 to replace on a printer under $200.00 and Canon don't think its worth it for a cheap printer. If its a printer over $200.00 and under warranty with Canon or extended warranty with Staples, you have to take it to an authorized repair depot for them to fix it and assess what is wrong. Thank you for all your information. You sure know a lot about after market inks and features of various printers. Burt does too and many others here. Mary |