Question re Canon iP1500
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From: zakezuke on 4 Apr 2006 06:16 > I don't think I am ambitious enough to do refilling with bulk inks. Its > not something I have any desire to do to tell you the truth. I think I > can do ok just getting a printer I can afford, and the ones suggested by > most people here are quite a lot more money here than in the US. > There is a Cosco store near me, but membership is $40.00 or $50.00 or > something and I can't justify it as I used to go there but found that I > didn't get my money out of it and preferred to shop other places. > Besides, there is no guarantee that the same things you can buy in the > US can be bought here as well. When buying products you have a lot more > choices than we do and lower prices. There is often a lot of good sales > here though, so usually I wait for them and with my camera, I bought it > on sale at a cheaper price than most camera stores in the US listed them > as. Its very challenging to live here in regards to prices. You have to > be a good bargain hunter or can pay through the nose. I have to watch my > money Burt. :) Costco is one of those things... not everyone "sees" the savings. For something like printer ink it tends to be really good. Tires... if my car took 14 inch tires than costco would be the best choice. I have a cheepo car with 13 inch rims, that size that is always advertised at $100 for a set of 4, but for average people in north america that have don't have the base model car tire savings is typicaly $50.00. There is always 1 thing at costco that saves as much as the membership yearly. In my case it's glasses. Photo paper is the other thing, and Blank DVDs is the other "big thing". The other big deal is the card is good when I travel. The photocenter is "NICE", and since the small time labs are shutting down this is where I go. The other nice aspect is return policy, they are hip to taking items they sold a hassle, strange in the 21st century. While you *can* often wait for sales and specificly buy things based on someone else's time table, and in most cases beat costcos prices... there are times where that is simply not an option. For me, if I break my glasses... I can't operate without them. You'd be surprised how many of the products are the same between Costcos in Canada, US, and Mexico. It's the funny thing about dealing with such bulk... it's worth the time to import, esp with products that are foreign to both the US and Canada such as Kirkland Photopaper. Kirkland Photopaper is popular enough that many a website and small business buy it from costco and resell it for more. More popular are those who make ciggerette runs from the east to the west. > Its very challenging to live here in regards to prices. You have to > be a good bargain hunter or can pay through the nose. Yes, you still have "future shop". The only reason I think they are still in operation in Canada is because they are Canadian owned. > So far I haven't seen the ip1500 in STaples and I have to deal with them > to get a new printer undr my extended warranty. I really don't want to > pay a lot for a printer. What you pay for your printer is pretty much meaningless. Whether you buy the $50 printer, or the $150 printer, you will without a doubt spend more on ink than the printer unless you go aftermarket bulk ink, or find a great deal on refills. It's the cost of the supplies, if you are buying OEM, that will run you hundreds of dollars. It's the cost of the supplies that are paramount to the budget. If you want cheap refills... you gotta buy a multi-tank printer. There isn't anything like the ip1500 currently made with a tri color tank. There just is not. ------------------ The other printer that's on the market that i'd seirously consider is the hp 8250. It's CDN$249.92. It offers a spiffy photo pack that includes 6 inks for CDN $49.92 and 150 sheets of 4x6 paper rather than 81.76 if you bought the inks one at a time. The yield isn't high but the cost per page isn't horrible, ink efficency from my understanding is very high. Yes, this is more money. ---------------------- HP isn't horrible on the tri-color front, and most of the base models give you the option to buy the spiffy photo cartridge and use "as needed", but the cost for black, plain black text, will eat you alive on models under $100.
From: Arthur Entlich on 4 Apr 2006 06:59 Future Shop isn't Canadian owned anymore. It started out privately owned in Canada. Was then sold and made public but still held in Canada. It is now owned by Best Buy, a US company. The name has value to them, since it was built and billed as a Canadian company. Best Buy doesn't really want you to know or think about Future Shop as theirs. Lately, they have been opening up Best Buy stores right across the way from Future Shop, so they can "play" off one another for pricing. It is the same game they play in shopping malls where 3 or 4 athletic shoe stores, all with different names and slightly different stock, carry on business, and people "comparison shop" between the stores, thinking they are shopping for the best deal. However, all the shops are actually owned by one parent company, so they don't care which store you end up buying at. You may "save" a few bucks, but any way you look at it, you've made the purchase from the same business, and since all are owned by one company, the prices never vary more than a few bucks, since they "control" the level of competition between them. It gives people a nice warm feeling that they comparison shopped and came home with the best deal "in the mall". The thing is, a shop 2 blocks down, independently owned, might have offered the same pair of shoes for 40% less, but they don't want you leaving the mall, so they offer you "fake" shopping around. Future Shop and Best Buy do just that. I was told that in Toronto somewhere they opened up a Best Buy next to a Future Shop, as an experiment. There was also an Office Depot and Staples in the same area. When the Best Buy opened, Future Shop "lost" about 10-15% of the business to them, but Staples and Office Depot lost over 40% between them to them, so that still put them 40% ahead, since the Future Shop business was just transferred from one store to the other. Nothing better than owning your supposed competition. The food industry does it all the time. Art zakezuke wrote: > > Yes, you still have "future shop". The only reason I think they are > still in operation in Canada is because they are Canadian owned. > >
From: zakezuke on 4 Apr 2006 12:07 > Future Shop isn't Canadian owned anymore. It started out privately > owned in Canada. Was then sold and made public but still held in > Canada. It is now owned by Best Buy, a US company. Thanks for the heads up. Knowing they are owned by someone else and the business practice of faux competition increases the likelyhood that i'd actually go in one. Not by much.
From: measekite on 4 Apr 2006 13:59 NO MARY MARY QUITE CONTRARY IS TALKING TO MATT ZUKOWSKI AKA ZOOKIE COOKIE Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1144122364.007906.34880(a)v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > > >>>Yes, it would cost more - thats no good. I wonder why they did that >>> >>> >when > > >>>the ip1500 has tri color carts. Don't some other manufacturers such >>> >>> >as > > >>>Lexmark have mainly or only head on carts? Just wondered - is Canon >>> >>> >the > > >>>best printer to get? or are there other brands just as good? High on >>> >>> >my > > >>>requirements is a printer that takes carts that are not too >>> >>> >expensive, > > >>>though all of them are, but the least or close to it and one that >>> >>> >has > > >>>available compatibles. >>> >>> >>The last time I worked out the math, the base Lexmarks offered ink >>somewhere in the neighborhood of $10,000/Galon US, vs $3000 to $5000. >> >> > >Is that very expensive? > > > >>Canon offers a really general purpose printer. I prefer the Epsons >> >> >for > > >>photos in many ways, but I find thier cheaper models to be too fickle. >>HP makes some nice rock solid printers and if it wasn't for CD >> >> >printing > > >>i'd probally still be buying HPs. >> >> > >Any HP models you know of that are not too expensive but quite good and >have reasonably priced carts? I prefer tri color carts. They are more >convenient. If I stop priting photos so much, I won't be using up as >much ink and don't want to bother with separate ink carts. > >Mary > > >
From: measekite on 4 Apr 2006 14:01
Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1144124618.868818.182080(a)j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com... > > >>>Actually, I don't know anyone who belongs to Costco though there is >>> >>> >one > > >>>not far from where I live, but not that many in Toronto area. Costco >>> >>> >is > > >>>not big here like in the States. Only a certain niche of the >>> >>> >population > > >>>go there. And they may not have the same photo paper you mention >>> >>> >above > > >>>even though its an American Co. People with children get more >>> >>> >benefit > > >>>from Costco since they sell a lot of stuff in bulk. I had a >>> >>> >membership > > >>>in it years ago, but found I never used it. >>> >>> >>The Kirkland photopaper, the 125pack of 8.5x11 is the same in Canada >>(vancouver at least), US, and Mexico (at least Merida), and almost the >>same in the UK except it's offered at a4 not letter. It's a swiss >>import, USD $20ish. Can't remember what it cost in vancouver but it >>was on par with the price US. >> >> > >Are you in Vancouver? >Well, I might see about paper later, but a printer and reasonably priced >carts to go with it, is on my mind right now. > > HE IS IN TOOKISSVILE > > >>>>The rule of thumb is - the cheaper the printer, the >>>>more expensive the ink. >>>> >>>> >>>I found the ip1500 had cheaper ink carts than printers you pay more >>> >>> >for > > >>>and cheaper than other brands of printers, but as you say maybe the >>>carts don't last as long. I really don't know about that. >>> >>> >>Those thimble sized tanks are double to tripple the cost per ml. The >>ip3000/4000/5000 is the middle ground between a good cost per page and >>starting investment. 25ml black pigment and 14ml color. >> >> > >Do the 3000/4000 have tri color cartridges? I won't ask about the 5000 >because I saw it on the site of Future shop and much too expensive for >me. > YOU ARE A JOKE IF YOU THINK THAT DISCONTUED MODEL IS EXPENSIVE >I might be willing to check out the 4000 if its not individual >tanks. The 4200 is only $10.00 more than the 4000 but somebody else said >the 4200 are hard to fill > > NOBODY CARES AND ONLY STUPID PEOPLE WANT A TRICOLOR > The next step > > >>up is something along the lines of the HP business jet 2300 which >> >> >would > > >>cost you USD$500 to USD$900 dependong on options, and the 4 tanks cost >>US$33.99 each, but the black is 69ml and the color is 28ml, and IIRC >>it's more efficent than canon in terms of ml per page. Note double >> >> >the > > >>volume but less than double the cost. A great deal but most people >> >> >are > > >>not hip to spending so much they won't see any savings till after a >> >> >few > > >>years of use. >> >> > >I'm complaining that $129.00 Can. is too much money, so an HP business >jet would definitely be out of my league :) It might be practical in an >office, but not for an average persons home use. > >Mary > > > |