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From: Leythos on 29 May 2010 17:36 In article <eloZ252$KHA.980(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, MEB-not- here(a)hotmail.com says... > > On 05/29/2010 04:25 PM, Leythos wrote: > > In article <e3uTS71$KHA.348(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, MEB-not- > > here(a)hotmail.com says... > >> > >> On 05/29/2010 02:35 PM, Leythos wrote: > >>> In article <#Z62g$s$KHA.1068(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, MEB-not- > >>> here(a)hotmail.com says... > >>>> The Notice and everything else applying to usage, deals with and > >>>> defines the public's ability to use any of Microsoft's property. These > >>>> groups, the hierarchy, and presentation are Microsoft's property. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Sorry, you're wrong. > >>> > >>> MS only owns the groups that reside on MS's own hardware/network, all > >>> others (as in every other server that contains them) are the property > >>> and domain of the company that runs that usenet server. > >>> > >> > >> Sorry your entirely wrong. Since any other "vendors", "companies" or > >> other, even individual users are BOUND by Microsoft's allowance of > >> usage, any other usage is illegal. > > > > You're wrong - once it's in Usenet, part of the Global Usenet, MS has no > > control of it. > > > > You people really aren't very bright. Usenet/use net/usenet never had > the authority to it in any form, per Microsoft's own documents. Theft > [which it essentially is] does not create ownership nor remove ownership > nor any Laws pursuant the applicable materials. Unless authorized by > Microsoft any use other than what has been authorized is illegal. You're wrong again - there is a very real structure and everything that enters it via willing participants, unless owned by someone else, is public domain. MS agreed to this when they started pushing their content out to Usenet. MS has no control beyond their OWN servers for anything posted to any of the groups with the MS name. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: David H. Lipman on 29 May 2010 17:37 From: "Geoff" <geoff(a)invalid.invalid> | On Sat, 29 May 2010 17:02:18 -0400, MEB <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> | wrote: >>On 05/29/2010 04:53 PM, Geoff wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 15:22:52 -0400, MEB <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> [snip] completely irrelevant and unfathomable gibberish about >>> copyright on his web site content. >>> The prima fascia truth is that Microsoft gave up any copyright on >>> content of their news servers when they created them as part of Usenet >> Wrong. Microsoft never GAVE UP anything. Your purported arguments have >>no worth, value or merit. >> Microsoft never "created them as part of Usenet". | Yes, they did so by creating an NNTP server for the purpose. The also | accepted peerage of other NNTP servers. The groups were not private to | the Microsoft servers. The content of such groups, except where posts | were created by Microsoft employees while on working hours, was not | the property of Microsoft. | QED | If, in fact, you are a lawyer, you must not be a very successful one. | You seem to have time to post useless arguments about Microsoft's | rights but can't be bothered to pay court fees in Brahier vs. Bonini. My main man Geoff :-) -- Dave http://www.claymania.com/removal-trojan-adware.html Multi-AV - http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
From: MEB on 29 May 2010 17:39 On 05/29/2010 05:22 PM, Geoff wrote: > On Sat, 29 May 2010 17:02:18 -0400, MEB <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 05/29/2010 04:53 PM, Geoff wrote: >>> On Sat, 29 May 2010 15:22:52 -0400, MEB <MEB-not-here(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> [snip] completely irrelevant and unfathomable gibberish about >>> copyright on his web site content. >>> >>> The prima fascia truth is that Microsoft gave up any copyright on >>> content of their news servers when they created them as part of Usenet >> >> Wrong. Microsoft never GAVE UP anything. Your purported arguments have >> no worth, value or merit. >> >> Microsoft never "created them as part of Usenet". > > Yes, they did so by creating an NNTP server for the purpose. Microsoft created the NNTP server for its OWN users and specifically indicated and stated that in the 1996 news release document. So again, your purported arguments are baseless, valueless, and have no merit. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___---
From: Leythos on 29 May 2010 17:37 In article <eSkgI22$KHA.1700(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl>, MEB-not- here(a)hotmail.com says... > But anything IN Usenet/use net/usenet it obtained elsewhere [which it > does own, control, and otherwise, is NOT its property. So again, a > useless claim. Microsoft OWNS its groups, the hierarchy, and the > presentation as so stated BY Microsoft. > MS does not "Own" the groups, and they only control the content ON THEIR OWN SERVERS. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: MEB on 29 May 2010 17:43
On 05/29/2010 05:36 PM, Leythos wrote: > In article <eloZ252$KHA.980(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, MEB-not- > here(a)hotmail.com says... >> >> On 05/29/2010 04:25 PM, Leythos wrote: >>> In article <e3uTS71$KHA.348(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>, MEB-not- >>> here(a)hotmail.com says... >>>> >>>> On 05/29/2010 02:35 PM, Leythos wrote: >>>>> In article <#Z62g$s$KHA.1068(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl>, MEB-not- >>>>> here(a)hotmail.com says... >>>>>> The Notice and everything else applying to usage, deals with and >>>>>> defines the public's ability to use any of Microsoft's property. These >>>>>> groups, the hierarchy, and presentation are Microsoft's property. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, you're wrong. >>>>> >>>>> MS only owns the groups that reside on MS's own hardware/network, all >>>>> others (as in every other server that contains them) are the property >>>>> and domain of the company that runs that usenet server. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Sorry your entirely wrong. Since any other "vendors", "companies" or >>>> other, even individual users are BOUND by Microsoft's allowance of >>>> usage, any other usage is illegal. >>> >>> You're wrong - once it's in Usenet, part of the Global Usenet, MS has no >>> control of it. >>> >> >> You people really aren't very bright. Usenet/use net/usenet never had >> the authority to it in any form, per Microsoft's own documents. Theft >> [which it essentially is] does not create ownership nor remove ownership >> nor any Laws pursuant the applicable materials. Unless authorized by >> Microsoft any use other than what has been authorized is illegal. > > You're wrong again - there is a very real structure and everything that > enters it via willing participants, unless owned by someone else, is > public domain. MS agreed to this when they started pushing their content > out to Usenet. Microsoft never *pushed* its property anywhere. Baseless, worthless and merit-less arguments. -- MEB http://peoplescounsel.org/ref/windows-main.htm Windows Info, Diagnostics, Security, Networking http://peoplescounsel.org The "real world" of Law, Justice, and Government ___--- |