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From: tbmoas58 on 16 Nov 2007 20:42 "Mike Dobony" <sword(a)notasarian-host.net> wrote in message news:1ao%i.69875$Um6.11684(a)newssvr12.news.prodigy.net... > > <tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com> wrote in message > news:13jrnmeq0p4r1fe(a)corp.supernews.com... >> >> Then you look like a genius! >> >> no you look like a goof that is not aware of what they are doing >> if I say I need 6 hours to set up a sound system when it only takes 2 >> then the promoter has a extra 16 man hours of union call labor to pay for >> that he did not need to incure , >> please keep your analogies to actual live sound situations > > Okay, someone comes to me with a budget of $10,000 to build a small > traveling system and I put together one for $8,000 that sounds great and > is easy to run. Or, someone askes me how much a particular system would > cost and from experience I give them an estimate of $10,000, based upon > actual seling prices. I then find them some good bargins (sales) on the > equipment and bring it in at $8,000. Estimate high and find the bargins. > >>> is the estimate the budget? think twice before you answer this is a trick question
From: tbmoas58 on 16 Nov 2007 20:53 >>> What search engine did you use? >> >> Seriously, Soundbroker and HTICS advertise frequently in the back of >> magazines like Pro Sound News and I've been doing business with them for >> quite a few years. Line items like single UPA-1's aren't going to pop up >> in internet search engines, it's a small enough, niche market that >> internet search engines will have any useful results buried pretty deep. >> > > I've never really paid that much attention to the various suppliers i do suppliers are my source for what I need Thanks > for the source. It is now bookmarked. I may change my mind about what > speakers I will get, though all the the Meyer UPA-1's need some serious > reconditioning, even the ones that claim non-touring. They all look > pretty beat up. I would bet they are mechanically sound, I have bought this stuff over and over again if its non working it will say so the money goes to a escrow until the buyer releases it pending inspection This also makes me question the condition of the cones and such. see above > Will internal components need replacing also? there are no internal components outside of the drivers they are externally processed > > This leads me to another problem with the suggestion. How is the OP going > to find such a product when they are not at all familiar with sites like > Soundbroker? it doesn't take a genius to get familiar and all they have to do is ask With such a niche product as the UPA-1's, do you really > believe the OP can find them? meyer is HARDLY a niche product I would say it is one of the most popular pro level speakers in the world Will the OP be able to keep in budget if the > used gear needs a total overhaul? it doesn't , see above refrence to the escrow This is why I prefer more common > products, like JBL, Yahama, EAW, etc. jbl is mostly trash , as is yamaha, eaw is in the same price range as meyer I own eaw, yamaha,behringer,rcf,eaw, community and meyer systems all serve diffrent needs George >
From: tbmoas58 on 16 Nov 2007 20:56 just a little histroy for you bony MEYER patentend the trapazoid box they offered the first pro level "full range" speakers from the usa(sorry I am not aware of european developments of around the same time, I suspect turbosound and tannoy were right there with similar stuff at about the same time) most every speaker sold today owes some heritage to the developments of John Meyer he is a name you ought get to know George
From: Eeyore on 16 Nov 2007 23:31 tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com wrote: > just a little histroy for you bony > MEYER patentend the trapazoid box No, they patented a 'design style' which covers only the specific model in the design patent application. You can't patent something as basic as a shape. Graham
From: sam on 17 Nov 2007 05:57
tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com wrote: > just a little histroy for you bony > MEYER patentend the trapazoid box > they offered the first pro level "full range" speakers from the usa(sorry I > am not aware of european developments of around the same time, I suspect > turbosound and tannoy were right there with similar stuff at about the same > time) > > most every speaker sold today owes some heritage to the developments of John > Meyer > > he is a name you ought get to know > George > > Martin had a trapezoidal 215 bass cabinet many years befor the UPA1 came out. The RCA W cabinets were trapezoidal too. Clairs rig for Yes had trapezoidal 2 x 12 mids and trapezoidal 2 x 18 lows. The McCune JM10s that John Neyer designed were trapezoidal too. Plenty of prior art for trapezoidal shapes As far as full range cabinets go, Tycobrahe Systems had a full range PA cabinet syatem on tour before just about anyone else S4s were around many years before Meyer Sound even started, and there were plenty of full range JBL and Altec boxes available, two way versions of the 4560 Northwest Sound had a full range cabinet for the Eagles PA, with two TAD 15s and A TAD horn, way before the UPA. Turbosound didn't make any trapezoidal cabinets until very late on, neither did Tannoy. Thats not to detract from John Meyers tremendous contributions and brilliant innovation, just some perspective. |