LS9/16 - not the desk for me
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From: Phildo on 24 Nov 2008 23:41 "George's Pro Sound Company" <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:5budnSnfNcf-abzUnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... > no I live's or digi-co around here but we will disagree on the m7 The thing with those boards is I can select a channel and have all my aux sends to hand. Very important for most of what I do. Personally I prefer to keep control of channel levels while having the aux sends to hand on knobs not faders. That is the major problem I had with the LS9. Just an example - at a couple of points in the set I need to cut the delay on the voice, bring up the guitar for the solo and add a big reverb to it, all at the same time. Hard to do quickly when you are flipping through layers. Phildo
From: George's Pro Sound Company on 25 Nov 2008 06:28 "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message news:lmLWk.31991$9I7.18432(a)newsfe19.ams2... > > "George's Pro Sound Company" <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:5budnSnfNcf-abzUnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >> no I live's or digi-co around here but we will disagree on the m7 > > The thing with those boards is I can select a channel and have all my aux > sends to hand. same with the ls9 Very important for most of what I do. Personally I prefer to > keep control of channel levels while having the aux sends to hand on knobs > not faders. That is the major problem I had with the LS9. there is more than "sends on faders to aduxts the auxes, just press the dedicated aux button once and spin the big wheel, or use the "selected send"(dedicated knob" > > Just an example - at a couple of points in the set I need to cut the delay > on the voice, bring up the guitar for the solo and add a big reverb to it, > all at the same time. Hard to do quickly when you are flipping through > layers. you do not need to go through layers, you just needed more time than 5 minutes to understand all the versitility in the ls9 > > Phildo >
From: Arny Krueger on 25 Nov 2008 07:39 "Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message news:lmLWk.31991$9I7.18432(a)newsfe19.ams2 > "George's Pro Sound Company" <bmoas(a)yahoo.com> wrote in > message > news:5budnSnfNcf-abzUnZ2dnUVZ_jidnZ2d(a)earthlink.com... >> no I live's or digi-co around here but we will disagree >> on the m7 > The thing with those boards is I can select a channel and > have all my aux sends to hand. Also true of the LS9. > Very important for most of > what I do. Personally I prefer to keep control of channel > levels while having the aux sends to hand on knobs not > faders. That is the major problem I had with the LS9. RTFM, particularly chapter 6, output channel operations. > Just an example - at a couple of points in the set I need > to cut the delay on the voice, bring up the guitar for > the solo and add a big reverb to it, all at the same > time. Hard to do quickly when you are flipping through > layers. No need to use layers for things like that, all you need to use is scenes. There is a reason why so many of them are available. I've used up to 7 scenes during just one 12 minute musical set, and that's just for a simple-minded church service.
From: Arny Krueger on 25 Nov 2008 07:47 "Eeyore" <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4921F917.7902379A(a)hotmail.com > Phildo wrote: >> You miss the point. I was a briefcaser walking up to the >> desk for the first time. IOW, a poorly-prepared breifcaser. >> I was expecting a GL3300 >> according to what we had been told and the gig was >> running very late so had very little time to learn the >> board. If you had experience with running non-trivial shows on one of the smaller boards, even your own personal 01V96, you would have known what to do. >> My whole point is that the board is not intuitive >> or well thought out enough to be able to use without >> some proper time on it first. There is a certain Zen to running a big show on a board that is physically small. Basically Phildo, you're confirming what I said - you've never had to learn how to run a show on board that had appreciably less knobs than relevant adjustments. >> Unlike the MC7L or the A&H >> boards you can't just walk up to it and mix Sure you can, if you are well-trained and experienced. I can walk up to any of the Yamaha smaller digital boards, 01V96, 02R96, DM1000, DM2000, M7CL, LS9, and adjust my style of mixing to them in a few minutes. Been there, done that. >> so it is >> really not a suitable board for any gig where a >> briefcase engineer will have to use it without any >> training. Well, some kind of training, either formal training or train yourself. > Thank you for making the point I have been preaching to > YOU for several years. There's a learning curve to getting comfortable with running a larger show on a smaller board. Some of us have, some of us have not. Yet. I prefer it. It is more of a head game, though.
From: Arny Krueger on 25 Nov 2008 07:48
"Phildo" <Phil(a)phildo.net> wrote in message news:FeLWk.31989$9I7.5848(a)newsfe19.ams2 > "liquidator" <mikeh(a)mad.scientist.com> wrote in message > news:ggd78p$r7n$1(a)aioe.org... >> I have a feeling in real life Arnie may be an OK >> guy...it's just when he gets to touting how great he is >> and proves otherwise... > > If Arny acted IRL the way he does here he'd get punched > out on a regular basis. AAPLS is just somewhere he acts > out his fantasies of being a real sound engineer. It sounds like Phildo is well-experienced with getting punched-out. Either that or he acts vastly different when real people are around. |